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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-10-01 03:49 pm

[ SECRET POST #3924 ]


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[personal profile] erinptah 2017-10-01 10:26 pm (UTC)(link)
...Almost all the commenters above you are saying exactly that. Not "screaming about death threats", but posting some variation of "eh, it's fiction not reality, so live and let live."

Of the rest, one (1) just talks about how they don't get the sex appeal, and one (1) is a misfire about romance novels.

What are you even mad about, here?

(Anonymous) 2017-10-01 10:29 pm (UTC)(link)
But those are mostly named users. Whereas threads related to YKINMK usually have piles of extremely angry anons.

(Anonymous) 2017-10-01 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe because Pennywise discourse is hilarious and will be quickly forgotten, whereas Star Wars discourse is sad, persistent, and pervasive?
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[personal profile] erinptah 2017-10-01 11:44 pm (UTC)(link)
First-level replies so far include 4 named users and 5 anon comments. That's not mostly! That's not even half.

And I think the other anon in this subthread has it right, the Star Wars fandom is huge and longstanding. Kylo Ren specifically has been around for a couple of years -- that's enough time for multiple waves of people to get attacked for liking the character. IT didn't have much of a fandom as a book, and the movie hasn't even been out for a month yet. Of course Kylo is going to have the bigger crowd of invested and defensive fans.

(Anonymous) 2017-10-01 11:53 pm (UTC)(link)
But the thing is that it gets framed as an point of principle. People don't talk about it as a preference in fandom. It's an abstract principle and if you disagree with that, you're wrong. Which, if that's the case, it shouldn't matter whether it's Star Wars or It. The principle is equally valid either way.

(Anonymous) 2017-10-02 12:50 am (UTC)(link)
In discussions like this, a lot of things have an effect whether they "should" matter or not. People aren't always consistent, and that doesn't always mean they're being hypocritical. You're not going to have a productive conversation about it if you insist that they are.

But then again, I suspect you're purposefully ignoring the context of those angry anons' complaints in order to insinuate that they really should feel bad for liking the characters they like, so I suspect you may not actually want to have a productive conversation here.

(Anonymous) 2017-10-02 02:45 am (UTC)(link)
In discussions like this, a lot of things have an effect whether they "should" matter or not. People aren't always consistent, and that doesn't always mean they're being hypocritical. You're not going to have a productive conversation about it if you insist that they are.

I totally agree. I mean I'm not saying that it's mysterious why people are being inconsistent. And I really don't have a problem with people being fans. I have no interest in insinuating that anyone should feel bad for liking the characters they like. Just don't act like you're angry because of abstract principle if that's not actually why you're angry. Don't act like it's good and evil if it's fandom.

(Anonymous) 2017-10-02 05:48 pm (UTC)(link)
But they are angry because of the abstract principle. It's just that they're more likely to comment in one situation than in the other, because they're more familiar with the one fandom and thus more likely to feel confident arguing about it. And it's not like the angry anons you're talking about were the ones who tried to turn this argument into an argument about good and evil.
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[personal profile] erinptah 2017-10-02 02:09 am (UTC)(link)
...yes, of course it's equally valid either way. Who's arguing that it isn't?

People are going to spend more time and energy talking about their own fandoms than talking about fandoms they aren't in. You're acting like that's a surprise, and I don't know why. Do you spend equal time talking about every fandom in existence? Do you know anyone else who does?

It doesn't mean people think the same basic logic doesn't apply to fandoms they're not in. It just means they're less invested in talking about those fandoms. Because they're not in them.