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People are responding to the narrative that people are pushing, which is that mental illness is THE reason why things like this happen, and that the best and only way to solve these problems is to deal with the evil, dangerous mentally ill people.

But straight up denying it isn't a contributing factor is just as delusional as conversatives who think gun control has nothing to do with it.

If we're having the conversation in a vacuum, then sure, we can talk about it.

It's extremely irresponsible to deny or hide contributing factors to acts of mass violence. Focus on the need for better treatment options as a preventative measure and maybe some useless politicians will pull their heads from out their behinds and start trying to work on making mental health care more accessible as a public safety measure.

It's also extremely irresponsible to overemphasize certain contributing factors to distract people from others for political reasons, or to abet people who are doing so. Especially when doing so can easily result in people placing blame on parts of the population that are already marginalized.

Absolutely, a lack of competent mental health treatment in our society on a large scale is part of the reason that things like this happen. But that is not the conversation that people are actually having when they talk about this, and they're not doing it in a way that accurately depicts the complex chains of causation between mental health and violence - because it is complex - and they're not making the kind of nuanced argument you're making.

Focus on the need for better treatment options as a preventative measure and maybe some useless politicians will pull their heads from out their behinds and start trying to work on making mental health care more accessible as a public safety measure.

They won't. There's approximately a zero percent chance of them doing so. It is a red herring, it is completely in bad faith, they have no real interest in doing anything of the sort, the only reason that they even mention the idea is as a scapegoat to avoid gun control laws.

Note that, despite the fact that this has happened again and again and again in this country, politicians who are pro-gun have never actually moved to provide better mental health care. It's been 20 years since Columbine, and have you seen a single one of those people take any genuine move to improve access to mental health care? It turns out, in fact, that there's actually a huge crossover between the politicians who are pro-gun, and the politicians who are committed to making all health care, including mental health care, much *less* accessible. They don't actually want better mental health care access. To believe that there's any chance of them improving mental health care access as a result of mass shootings is to fundamentally misunderstand what they are trying to do and what they believe.

And I'll be honest - I said exactly what you're saying now after Sandy Hook. I said, well, it shouldn't be a distraction from gun control, but improving access to mental health is always a good thing, so if people are going to be willing to do that, I'm in favor of it. It's now been 5 years since Sandy Hook. And do you know how much the people who talked about mental health after Sandy Hook have done to improve mental health care access over the last 5 years? Nothing. They have done nothing. Not a single thing. Because they do not actually care about mental health care, at all. They could not care less about it. They don't. Period. It is an attempt to distract from gun control by stigmatizing the mentally ill. That is all it is.

I don't think anyone has EVER said that. Like, they act as though some politician said "let's round up all the mentally ill people" and that's not the case. These responses come when people say "we should improve access to mental healthcare in this country" and any suggestion that if a shooter did receive treatment, the tragedy could have been avoided.

Mental illness doesn't equal violent. But mental illness CAN cause violence.

*Also, I really hate the phrase "mental illness" as used as some kind of grouping, you'd never say "sick" people and equate people with colds and people with cancer, as mentioned above, so let's stop acting like mentally ill people are some kind of cultural group

To be fair, I remember some people saying just that i.e. rounding up all the mentally ill people, after Virginia Tech.

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