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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-10-05 06:37 pm

[ SECRET POST #3928 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3928 ⌋

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[The Shape of Water]


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Re: Self-indulgent incoherent and probably mildly offensive rambling about Star Wars ships and race

(Anonymous) 2017-10-06 05:11 am (UTC)(link)
Hmm. This is interesting. I don't know much about the overlap (that is, assuming that the same people who ship X, also ship Y, and equally hate character Z, but love him in ship W). I'm willing to bet that there are people who (maybe even subconsciously) can't stand the idea of Finn being with Rey for racial reasons. I'm sure there are those people. I like Finn better than Rey as a character, but I ship her with the bad guys because hero/villain ships are my thing. And on that note, I'll just add that while it's great that they've been adding MOC to the franchise, I'd like to see some WOC up there too, as MC (see Rey or Jyn -- why couldn't Jyn be played by a woman of Indian heritage [for example]?). I also think that for a good amount of people, there might be the chance that reading the fic is a moment of projection.

But your question :
"What does it mean to reduce a character to the racial identity of the actor who plays him, particularly in a world where that racial identity doesn't exist? Is the only interesting thing about Oscar Isaac the fact that he's Guatemalan, and the only interesting thing about Diego Luna the fact that he's Mexican? Is that all that these men, and therefore their characters, are?"

I find this question more compelling. I think it's an incomplete rendering of a character if that's all people decide to focus on, and it becomes dangerous, because then you run the risk of becoming a caricature and/or stand in for that particular demographic. And that's such a reduction of the character.

I'm not a hardcore SW fan. I've only read fic now, after TFA. So I don't really know all the history and lore of the universe. That said, I would have thought that considering the evolution and the addition of SO many other "alien" races to the game, that the human race would not be as splintered (is it even splintered? I'm basing my comment off of what you wrote, and I've yet to see RO). I'm sure many characters might hold on to old traditions, but...eh. Yeah. I agree with your statement that the SW universe isn't a 1:1 for our world, nor can certain topics be handled with he same lens that we use because the situation and understanding of topics such as race and gender are treated differently to begin with.