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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-10-06 07:24 pm

[ SECRET POST #3929 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3929 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2017-10-07 12:17 am (UTC)(link)
You know, I really appreciate this secret, because it just helped me finally understand exactly why I don't like TWD anymore.

Back in S2, it was arguable which side was right (if you could even say that EITHER of them were). I know a lot of the fandom criticized Rick for being "dumb" and going along with Hershel's demands, but a lot of people also hated Shane for his ruthlessness. I feel like if you're looking at it objectively, they both had a point. The world was a harsher place now and Rick needed to accept that, but Shane went too far, and a lot of the brutal things he did might not have even been necessary to survive. I liked seeing an honorable, moral person like Rick struggling to adapt to a world that's become much crueler without losing who he was.

Now, Rick has to be contrasted against a sadistic caricature like Negan in order to keep him heroic. Because if Shane were still around, he'd no longer be a foil to Rick; he'd be a like-minded ally.

I feel like a prominent theme before was "Can the protagonist hold onto what makes him human in the midst of chaos and monsters? Is there even a point to trying?"

The show has settled on an answer: "No, he can't, not fully, and there isn't a point. Because Shane was right all along: the world has changed, and if you want to survive it, you have to be a monster too."

If the writers were willing to commit to that answer, it might be interesting to watch, but it doesn't seem like they're going to. They want to push Rick to the edge and play with idea of him mentally breaking and "going psycho" like Shane, but they won't ever make him fall completely.

S1!Rick would be horrified at what S8!Rick has become. Even if this story was set up to be a tragedy (which it wasn't), the writers aren't utilizing that, so what's the point to continuing? If we have the answer to the theme's question, what story is there left to tell?

(Anonymous) 2017-10-07 03:00 am (UTC)(link)
Not OP, but I liked your very thoughtful commentary here. And I think it speaks to one of the reasons why I drifted away from watching TWD. Perhaps it IS realistic that people must become monsters to survive, that they are hard and violent, but as a viewer, it was hopeless and depressing, and it wasn't a journey I wanted to take.
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[personal profile] esteefee 2017-10-09 07:29 am (UTC)(link)
Yup. That's why I stopped watching as well. I didn't like the answer they seemed to settle on.

(Anonymous) 2017-10-07 05:47 am (UTC)(link)
yeah this is very similar to how I feel too, it seems like less and less is being done to dissect what it means to be human in a post apocalyptic world-- the episodes tend to revolve around how much gratuitous violence they can shock the audience with and how grimdark they can be to any character who dares show a hint of humanity. naturally, there was violence in prior seasons, but the writers don't write it out of necessity anymore, they seem to get off on cruelty. it's just not fun to watch anymore.
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[personal profile] arcadiaego 2017-10-07 02:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm still watching but you're not wrong.