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[ SECRET POST #3935 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3935 ⌋

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For me, and I did the secret the other day, it seems like it's a way to pretend to be progressive without actually supporting and promoting progressive media.

You get to have your all-white cake and eat it too.

Why are those things mutually exclusive

Because if you're spending time on a series that's about three canon white characters, you're not spending that time producing fanworks for series that aren't?

You can like series with diverse casts, and also like Harry Potter

that's allowed

Yes, but there's only so much time and effort one fan can spend on making fanworks for stuff. If you spend three hours drawing Indian!Harry then that's three hours you're not drawing Depa Billaba or Doctor Kutner or any other canon POC you could be enriching the fandom for. You literally can't go back in time and spend those same three hours over again, they're gone.

But the activity of being a fan is not exclusively about promoting social justice messages, in any of these cases. It's also about, you know, being a fan. And I'm really not big on the idea of policing peoples' fandom activity to determine the authenticity of their fannishness, which is what you seem to be endorsing.

It's not really policing. It's just pointing out that drawing Harry as Indian is like writing Kirk as boning Spock in terms of Social Justice Brownie Points, but a lot of people seem to feel it's a good example of real activism.

I definitely agree that it's not real activism!

But at the same time, we all sort of accept that writing Kirk boning Spock is a legitimate and cool part of fandom - really something that's sort of central to fandom - and that people do it because they like it and that's cool. Whereas on the other hand, people don't seem to be able to accept that people like drawing Harry as Indian or whatever else. So I completely agree with the parallel you're drawing here, and I think that's really the central point I'm making: why do people ITT accept one and not the other?

because the former's because of horniness and the latter's usually for brownie points

Well, you think that, and I'll just keep thinking that you all hate it solely because you hate anything that people weren't doing 15 years ago on Livejournal, and we'll all go on with our lives just like before.

never had an lj and i didn't even have a neopets account 15 years ago

Geese, overreacting much? Anon seemed at most annoyed. Not to mention, like another anon ITT mentioned, slashers doing the same for brownie points get the same derision (as do het shippers claiming their ship is feminist).

+1

I think a lot fewer people would care if the people doing the latter didn't act like their fanart was So Important. People who are similarly self-righteous about their fanfic about Kirk boning Spock are often treated with similar derision.

Having been around since before LJ, I can confirm this. I'd also add het fans, because oh boy do some love to drum the "my ship is so feminist" drum!

Two very different things here.

Race bending characters is faux activism that achieves nothing.

Kirk boning Spock is a sexual fantasy. To me, people having sexual fantasies is not a bad thing and perfectly valid.

Sure, but why racebend white characters for your fanworks when you can make fanworks of existing non-white characters of series you're supposedly a fan of?

I don't know. For the same reasons that people make any other fanwork, I would assume.

Also, I would point out that like... there is an extremely obvious reason that you're more likely to see fanworks from massive fandom. the reason being, they are massive fandoms that everyone already likes.

Because you wouldn't get the same reactions as you do from a big fandom.
Like people who write AUs that are so OOC and removed from the canon they could just as well be writing original fiction but if you call the characters, say, Dean and Castiel and dump it in the Supernatural category, it will get much more feedback.

Yeah but nobody claims that OOC fic is serving a higher purpose.

The tons of OOC trans and/or autistic headcanon fic beg to differ.

Aren't they the same as race bending though? Just... ableness bending I guess.

This, thank you. There's a ton of media out there with non-white characters that I would love to see more fan stuff for, but it just feels really disingenuous when it seems like a lot of people would rather racebend canonically white characters than pay any attention to all of the great existing non-white characters and the series that they're in.

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