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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-10-12 06:43 pm

[ SECRET POST #3935 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3935 ⌋

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Re: SAME ANON

(Anonymous) 2017-10-13 03:03 am (UTC)(link)
I get that the headcanons don't work for you and don't match up with your experience. It hasn't been my experience that the universe of people who like these headcanons is exclusively white but I mean I don't know, man.

Re: SAME ANON

(Anonymous) 2017-10-13 03:11 am (UTC)(link)
Different anon butting in here.

I don't think it's an exclusively white thing either. But I do think it's something that the people who claim it "could be canon" don't really think about. When someone claims they can take a white character with no non-default experiences and layer a skin tone and hair type over him and say he could've been brown all along, it's implying that a brown person would have had the same experiences and nothing needs to change about them, and that is at best inaccurate.

The difference between "there's no reason an Indian boy couldn't have done everything that Harry did and ended up in generally the same story" and "there's no reason Harry couldn't have been an Indian boy the whole way through canon" is small but pretty significant, at least to me and looking at this thread, several other people too. I think the former is what the people who want headcanons are going for, but they're confusing it with the latter, and when they insist it could have been canon they don't realize the implications that has.

I don't think it's malice. But I think the people just having fun don't think far enough to consider that, and maybe they should.

Re: SAME ANON

(Anonymous) 2017-10-13 03:21 am (UTC)(link)
AYRT

just to be clear I would hope that someone who was actually advancing the headcanon would be able to go through and make more specific textual arguments in support of it and why they thought it was good

Re: SAME ANON

(Anonymous) 2017-10-13 03:29 am (UTC)(link)
have... have you perhaps missed the part where we are saying that this does not exist

did you somehow ignore the part where I said, look, dude is obviously white? and that searching out for SPECIFIC TEXTUAL BREADCRUMBS of why it might be good to see him as non-white is like otheranon said, ignorant at best and, like what otheranon left out, pretty rude and offensive at worst?

I mean, the whole point is, if you have to search that hard for microscopic textual evidence so you can tell a couple of PoC people that that 'yeah my offensive headcanon might totally not be offensive okay I really want to cling to my SJW Approved Brownface', you maaaaay want to re-examine your fandom fun priorities.

(OR JUST WRITE AN AU where he's harry patel and have done with it, perhaps? I still don't see why there's somehow something terrible and scary about that. Is it because they all suck at writing or actually putting themselves in the shoes of brown people, is there something deeply terrifying about that or what.)

Re: SAME ANON

(Anonymous) 2017-10-13 03:39 am (UTC)(link)
Other anon.

Eh, I doubt it's terror. More that it's easier to paint brown, say it's theoretically possible that they could have had a charmed partially post-racial life, and have done with it than to explore a realistic AU where so many other little things have to change. Especially if they're not Indian, familiar with actual Indian culture, or actual minorities.

Re: SAME ANON

(Anonymous) 2017-10-13 03:44 am (UTC)(link)
Gosh I wish I lived a charmed partially post-racial life.

But sigh tat'that's true and probably explains why it crops up in fanart a lot; easier to simply change someone's skintone than to actually think about and examine the various issues something like this would cause. Like, holy shit, the amount of slurs and derogatory comments and prejudices people hold about Indians, especially Indian men, that crop up in a 'Good Old Boys Very English Somewhat Upper Class School' type of environment - I mean, I went to one of those schools, and, uh, it was pretty bad.

Re: SAME ANON

(Anonymous) 2017-10-13 03:21 am (UTC)(link)
Earlier anon but yeah, this is about right.

'I would like a Captain America movie that stars Sam Wilson in the superhero role' <- yes please x 100
'We can make STEVE ROGERS black and keep his IRISH IMMIGRANT and WWII soldier story EXACTLY THE SAME at the same time and this is a totally valid interpretation!! diversity!' <- OH MY GOD, fucking do not

I don't get how somehow people can get this, yet ignore it for Harry Potter. Is it because it's a book medium, so because the only 'canon' graphics are the cover, they feel free to ignore the fact that he's obviously blatantly white?