[ SECRET POST #3945 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3945 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

the density of nonbinary or ftm-identified people in the fandom population is ridiculous

I can't speak for everybody, but I came to m/m slash fandom because I'd always been drawn to gay male relationships without knowing why. I didn't know that it was possible to be a transgender man, let alone a gay one, and fandom is the place where I gradually found my identity. It took me a long damn time to be "out and public"--even now I'm only partially out offline.

Fandom is self-selecting for a lot of things, including minority/stigmatized sexual identities and genders. People who feel rejected in meatspace often find fandom, news at 11!

Maybe some of those people you find ridiculous really aren't trans. Maybe they're trying to work out their identities. Maybe they're even lying, though I find it unlikely. But you don't know that, and you don't know who, and scorning people who identify as trans or nonbinary can do real harm to folks who already face plenty of scorn and discrimination in their non-fandom lives.

I have never seen these people show up when I browse for het pairings

Seriously, what does that have to do with anything? People who don't read het can't actually be trans or nonbinary? You make no sense.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I kinda wonder how much of this is a chicken or the egg sort of thing. Like slash has been around a good while but /this amount/ of transmen is new, but sort of person who usually participates (ie nerdy social outcast) isn't fundamentally different than say 20 years. So imo the current fandom and political climate outside of it makes so that more people consider the label.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, being trans or nonbinary is thinkable now. Fewer people are spending decades foundering around trying to figure out why they feel so different, or repressing it all.

And the availability of those identities maybe does mean that some people try them on for a while and decide that they don't fit. I don't get why that process of self-understanding is seen as a bad thing, or why it's so often assumed that people are lying. Maybe there are a few people who are actually lying for the SJW points (what a paltry reward!) but using that as a justification to doubt every trans and nonbinary person is really skeevy.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not just thinkable, it's trendy.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT but again, this is the same thing that people said about LGB people a decade ago

[(Anonymous)]

With the slight difference that back then, claiming the LGBT label for yourself meant you had to commit to it in real life. Currently, you can claim all you want online with none of your real life identity attached if you don't want it to be. And people lie on the internet. That's a fact.

[(Anonymous)]

The Internet existed 10 years ago, my friend

[(Anonymous)]

Sure but the fandom atmosphere was incredibly different and personal identity was barely relevant.

[(Anonymous)]

But you said that 10 years ago "claiming the LGBT label for yourself meant you had to commit to it in real life." That's just not true.

[(Anonymous)]

The ayrt wasn't me. I read over the "ten years" part because I quite honestly don't remember there being a lot of discussion about this back then. My fault.

[(Anonymous)]

Should have clarified I wasn't the original anon. Basically my point is saying you're trans in fandom did not have the same social ramifications a decade ago as it does now and there's definitely people doing it so they don't have to deal with antis.

[(Anonymous)]

The main "omg everyone's bi for attention now" hype was in the 80s. A decade ago, i dont actually remember there being that much of an uproar about a sudden surge in LGBT identified individuals.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Yeah, it's so trendy! It's not like trans and nonbinary people ever get death threats and rape threats on social media, or get forced into conversion therapy if they're underage, or get kicked out of their houses or lose their jobs or get actually raped or murdered because they're trans. I can totally see why so many people are pretending to be trans! What fun!

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, pretending to be trans or NB on tumblr surely has all those effects. Clearly, online life and real life are exactly the same!

I'm very certain that of all those "genderqueer" people on tumblr, not even a third is actually genderqueer offline and therefore have none of the problems you just described. But sure, there is no middle ground. Either all are fake or all are real. No inbetween.

[(Anonymous)]

What clever and original victimizing! Never heard these points before.
The r-word and death threat claims never fail to get the attention you badly crave.

People really have never faced harships like these, only special snowflakes.

Are you really grouping trans people with NB/queer? Because as far as I know there's no such thing as conversion therapy for transgender problems. Trust me, if you are transgender, you already have a lot of problems and it's not the transphobes that cause it.

Homophobia =/= Transphobia kthxbia

[(Anonymous)]

In fandom it really is, and how much tumblr supports performing the right role is no wonder so many people use labels to both fit and to be taken more seriously in some random fandom argument.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Trendy only in spaces that don't really matter that much.

[digitalghosts]

Trendy!? Oh anon, have you ever tried speaking to queer people? Ever? I recall there was vast amounts of them always ... just media and internet and queer lit did not reach this far, so sure - you might see more if you were not exposed to queer stuff before but for me it was always about 1/4th people I met. Yes, out of all people, met randomly in random places.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh yes, 1 in 4 people is totally trans - because you say so.
Don't be ridiculous.

[digitalghosts]

I said queer and not trans - if you asked me for stats on that then it would be 1/12 or such. I also am from an awfully conservative hometown and a gay couple got expelled from my school the very same day they held hands. It is not even remotely over colourising reality and yet, same school had about same ratio of closeted queer people as any other. Your experience might be different but I still would say people like to ignore what they find uncomfortable. You said that I find myself egocentric in another comment (or uppity and moralistic) which is true but it sounds like you are precisely same as me which is a low standard as I puke angry comments on the internet.

[(Anonymous)]

Those stats are so wrong it's just plain ridiculous.
And no, I didn't say that. That was a different anon.

[(Anonymous)]

+1 to this comment

looking back at my childhood in hindsight it is obvious I was always trans, without a word for it. I got into anime/manga fandom because I liked cartoons and artwork, and stayed because I could "roleplay" and write as a man interacting with men sexually, without fear of harm.

I don't think it's that different from a lot of "gay men" gravitating towards drag as a hobby, and realizing they were trans women using that as an outlet to express feelings they'd always had. there are a lot of stories like this wrt similar hobbies.