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⌈ Secret Post #3945 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

>>I'm not presenting "woe is me," I'm calling for action.

Mmhmm. Pure coincidence that your call to action takes the form of a recitation of personal difficulties.

>>Throughout this discussion you've treated the need to repeatedly ask vague questions about the depth of our self-analysis as more important than the realities of health care access, violence, discrimination, and support.<<

Look, we're both playing a round of "someone is wrong on the internet." Your participation in this discussion is not doing anything more to alter institutional realities than mine is.

When you say "healthcare access," I assume you mean access to HRT and SRS. It probably won't surprise you to learn that I'm not fully on board with this. I acknowledge that medical transition can alleviate severe cases of dysphoria, but then, amputating healthy limbs can alleviate severe cases of BIID.

>>There are organizations to support, community centers to build, and congresscritters to call on all of those issues.<<

Then get out and do that. Godspeed. I call my congresspeople every week; do you?

In principle, I support trans activism inasmuch as it works to protect trans people from discrimination and violence. What I don't support is relaxing gatekeeping practices, making medical transition available to minors, or encouraging disaffected young people (especially LGB youth) to seek refuge in an identity that sets them up for a lifetime battle with their own biology. Since I see no practical way to support the good without the bad, apart from lobbying for very specific legislation, I wash my hands of the whole matter.

>>You've been given extremely detailed answers. You're not satisfied because they add up to "none of your business," and you apparently don't like being told that.<<

Fair enough; I'll leave you alone to do your thing. At this point, we really are just rehashing well-worn arguments. You are familiar with my position and unpersuaded by it; I am equally familiar with yours, and equally unpersuaded. Whoever you are, wherever you are, I think your gender politics are highly fashionable, moderately harmful nonsense, but you seem like an intelligent, thoughtful person, and I hope you're doing well.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Describing concrete needs is a good way to cut through theories that do nothing.

> When you say "healthcare access," I assume you mean access to HRT and SRS.

No, I mean healthcare access since trans people also face systemic discrimination in healthcare including primary care, nursing, specialized care, and long-term care. Healthcare will include treatment for dysphoria as well (if desired and needed). What that treatment might entail is none of your business, (or mine for that matter) but should be available according to best practices and standards of care.

> In principle, I support trans activism inasmuch as it works to protect trans people from discrimination and violence. What I don't support is relaxing gatekeeping practices, making medical transition available to minors, or encouraging disaffected young people (especially LGB youth) to seek refuge in an identity that sets them up for a lifetime battle with their own biology. Since I see no practical way to support the good without the bad, apart from lobbying for very specific legislation, I wash my hands of the whole matter.

First, I think you're picking three positions that are a matter of debate within the trans community. (Just to bang down the list, 1. I support a high degree of counseling before medical transition to decide whether it's really necessary. 2. I don't think minors should medically transition, and 3. I think we need feminine and butch LGB role models alongside trans role models, because that's so much easier for many people.)

Second, you don't need to agree with any of them to support:

1. anti-bullying measures in public schools
2. trans-inclusive ENDA and employment policies
3. community meeting space and counseling services
4. welcoming congregations
5. educating health care providers on LGBTQ issues
6. support for people escaping familial and intimate partner violence.

(And yes, I do work in some of those areas.)

Maybe it's because I'm past 45, but I see more trans people who identify as trans after a full lifetime of trying to make everything else available work, and I still don't buy the idea that trans is "trendy" outside of a few bubbles of minimal economic or cultural influence.

> I'm agnostic on brain sex (and, by extension, brain gender and brain sexual orientation).

I'm an open skeptic in such simplistic terms. Unless you're taking a position of religious or Cartesian dualism, everything is "brain organization" including socialization. That said, to the best of our knowledge, human beings are a bi-modal population on many measures, that's often correlated with sex (with wide variance), and not all of that variance can be attributed to socialization. Also, attempting to coerce, teach, or psychoanalyze young LGBTQ people into a gender-normative sexuality or gender-normative behavior is a proven failure that just creates neurotic LGBTQ adults.