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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-10-26 06:35 pm

[ SECRET POST #3949 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3949 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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09. https://i.imgur.com/CCSTAru.png
[OP wanted this warned for sexual content, image itself is SFW though]








Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 10 secrets from Secret Submission Post #565.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

(Anonymous) 2017-10-26 11:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I mean, are just choosing to ignore the part where I said I like it how it is? I'm not saying "Eleven should be a boy! Get rid of girl Eleven!!"

(Anonymous) 2017-10-26 11:08 pm (UTC)(link)
The way I read what you said in the secret is that (even if it's good as is) it would be better, or you would prefer it, if Eleven was a boy, or that Eleven should have been a boy

Maybe by only a very little bit

But still fundamentally better

If I'm not responding to that right, tell me what to respond to, I don't know man, it's fucking hot out

(Anonymous) 2017-10-26 11:13 pm (UTC)(link)
You're creating a value judgment that doesn't exist. Wanting to see X does not mean not wanting to see Y. It's just that there are two options, and I'd have liked either of them, and I'm commenting on the one we didn't get.

(Anonymous) 2017-10-26 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I accept that you meant that in your heart

(Anonymous) 2017-10-26 11:25 pm (UTC)(link)
DA

I'm the anon in the thread below and I had no problem understanding it. But no, it couldn't possibly be you that is wrong! It must be OP that didn't express themselves well enough for you to pick up on, so it must be their fault. Come on. You sound really bad right now.

(Anonymous) 2017-10-26 11:29 pm (UTC)(link)
"wished Eleven had actually been a boy" just seems pretty clear and unambiguous to me. I never said that it was something OP thought or said continuously or wholeheartedly. But the language that they used framed it as a competition, and they could have framed it differently. And of course now I'm being a pedant and falling into all the narratives about anons "misinterpreting" users and "attacking" them when I'm just trying to respond to what OP said in the secret.

Again, whatever, I'm fine leaving it there

(Anonymous) 2017-10-26 11:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I mean yeah, if you quote OP totally out of context, of course you make sense.

Someone: "For a second there omg, I kinda wanted to die a little bit."
You: OP said "wanted to die!" OP is suicidal!

That's not... how it works. That's not how quoting works.

(Anonymous) 2017-10-26 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
"wished Eleven had actually been a boy" just seems pretty clear and unambiguous to me.

DA, and yeah, it came across the same way to me, too.

(Anonymous) 2017-10-26 11:56 pm (UTC)(link)
You know how you avoid falling into that narrative? You say "oh, I see what you meant," instead of responding like an asshole who apparently thinks other people can't string two thoughts together without fucking up what they meant.

(Anonymous) 2017-10-27 12:15 am (UTC)(link)
Just for the record, though, OP actually did say something other than what they apparently meant. Which is fine, it happens to everyone. But that is what happened.

(Anonymous) 2017-10-27 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
I don't see how. You have to acknowledge the thought of wanting to see something different than what was presented in order to reach the conclusion that you'd like both. If anything, OP is hedging AGAINST wanting boy!11.

(Anonymous) 2017-10-27 12:45 am (UTC)(link)
I think the secret could talk about it being interesting, or being curious to see what it had been like, or like "it would have been cool" or something, or "I wonder what it would have liked like" or "I would have been interested in seeing a version" or something like that. "wished Eleven had actually been a boy" doesn't really present it in a way of just acknowledging the idea of wanting to see something different, it presents it as wishing Eleven had actually been a boy.

And I think it would also have helped to actually present some of the context and reasoning behind it, instead of leaving it for anons in the context to ask why they wanted to see that.

And I know it's not a big deal, and I admit that I'm being more stubborn about it than I need to be. But I think this secret is, at best, unclear. And it's just really frustrating because I think that people frame stuff like this as FS misinterpreting what secrets say. And I just don't think that's true. And I'm not going to pretend that I misinterpreted OP when I don't think that's what I did.