[ SECRET POST #3949 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3949 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[OP wanted this warned for sexual content, image itself is SFW though]








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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Oh my god, my eyes practically roll into the back of my head when people say stuff like this.

Platonic male relationships are glorified in media, and they’re not difficult to find - especially in the US. We love our male friendships. If anything, we need more platonic male/female friendships portrayed in our media.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

For a certain kind of male friendship, this is true. We have plenty of media glorifying "bro"s.

But not all male friendships are like that. I don't remember the last time I've seen a male-male friendship that was more on the caring, nurturing side that wasn't mentor/student or father/son.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, this. Exactly.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree in the abstract that we should have more sensitive male friendships and more emotionally open male characters

I'm not sure about framing it as a competition for space in the ecosystem between that and female characters

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

But the anon they were replying to is not framing it as competition for space in the ecosystem. You are reading into it that way.

What the original anon said was, "I just like the idea of boys caring for each other, platonically or romantically. And here in the good ol' repressed US, you don't see much of that."

Which is generally true, besides the "bro" stuff.

[(Anonymous)]

If you are citing that as a reason to wish that Eleven actually had been a boy - which is what the secret actually said - then you're setting it up as a competition

Apparently that's not what OP actually meant I guess so whatever

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I have a hard time figuring why you take

"For a moment"
not still, continuously, currently

"there was a tiny little piece of [OP]"
not all of OP, not wholeheartedly

as "OP did entirely and still do entirely" wish Eleven were a boy instead of, I don't know, "for a second there OP kind of wanted to see that."

[(Anonymous)]

What’s the difference between “bros” and “caring male friendships?” Because I don’t have a hard time finding male friendships in popular media where the two guys wax on about how important they are to each other and are willing to die for each other.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I'm not sure how to describe the difference, only that it's there and I can tell. Most "bro" type of friendships portrayed in media have a very "you're my bro but we do manly friendships, also we do this for one moment and then we go back to never mentioning feelings again, now back to your regularly scheduled macho inexpressiveness" vibe about them. Usually with a large dose of "no homo"

I don't even mind bro friendships. At least the men get to express emotion and friendship and care that way. But it's almost always portrayed as the emotions being real but expressing them is a moment of weakness and something to be avoided except at the climaxes of dramas when its do or die because you have to be callous to each other the rest of the time or else it's ~weird~, instead of being regular caring friendships

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, okay. I get what you’re saying. Sorry for snapping at you. And yeah, the “no homo” thing is always there with a lot of deep male friendships in media which is annoying.

[(Anonymous)]

It's fine, I understand where you're coming from too. The scenes of men being all "but bro, you're my best bro!" or deciding to choose the friend over the love interest are really common. We all love the idea of deep best-friendships and I'm no exception, lol.

I just wish most of them didn't have to be practically dragged out of every character at metaphorical or literal gunpoint with the implication that normal men don't normally do or say any of that

[(Anonymous)]

SA

I thought of one! Samwise and Frodo were a good example of a serious caring friendship. I wish these were less rare.

[bio_obscura]

Yep. Eleven x Mike having a platonic friendship, or the group itself being all girls with one boy, would have been much more out-of-the-ordinary and interesting.