[ SECRET POST #3951 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3951 ⌋

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Comments

Re: The salt in this thread is kind of pathetic.

[(Anonymous)]

I think you're being like... 60% unfair to the responses here?

First, because OP is very much not just saying "Sally Hawkins doesn't happen to be my type." They seem to me to be quite specific that their kink is conventionally attractive women with monsters, and the reason that this doesn't work for them is because she's not conventionally attractive enough for OP. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but OP's secret does go beyond just saying that Sally Hawkins is not OP's type into a broader conversation about attractive / "hot" women which positions Sally Hawkins as plain. It's a little bit of an exaggeration to characterize that as "big tit playboy centerfold" but OP themselves sets it up as being about plain women versus attractive women, that's the language they use themselves.

Second, I think it's a valid response to this secret to say that you think that Sally Hawkins is attractive, or that you like her being in the movie. And it's also a valid response to reply to OP's criticism of the movie (that it's in some sense problematic that they have a plain woman). Those are all pretty valid responses to have to a secret like that. And I think a lot of the actual responses fall into that territory.

So the responses do go a little too far, because of course there's nothing wrong with OP having the preferences that they do have. But I really think you're exaggerating how much that's happening, outside of one reply that called OP a pig. Outside of that one reply, I don't think anyone is really calling OP a monster. People are disagreeing with what OP said. I think you're really exaggerating how much this is mean-spirited or an "intentional misreading" of the secret.

Re: The salt in this thread is kind of pathetic.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I think I'd agree a little more if there wasn't such a thread of indignation throughout most of the replies.

There's definitely anger and irritation that OP dares to enjoy conventionally attractive women, if that's even true. OP doesn't elaborate on what is "hot" to them at all, they could want anything from a small-chested butch-haircut boi in the role to the most botoxed woman ever to exist, literally the only qualifier we have here is that they don't think Sally Hawkins is attractive, they don't say anything about what "attractive" to them even IS, it's just everybody else thinking they immediately KNOW what OP finds attractive because Sally Hawkins isn't it.

I feel like there's just a whole lot of extrapolation in the thread that really is undeserved. I saw another comment like "we finally get something different and OP complains?" like apparently it's a sin to wish something were a little different.

This happened a couple days ago too when someone said something about a character from Stranger Things, even though I wasn't involved in that thread there was a big uproar because the secret OP mentioned part of them wished a character was actually a boy for a moment, and some people got offended in almost the exact same manner I'm seeing here, with a lot of inferring things that may or may not even be true and just general hyperbole and a willingness to think the worst of the OP because it feeds the outrage some people on here like to indulge in.

The "pig" comment was almost comically butthurt and over the top and definitely the cherry on the shit cake of the thread, but a lot of the other replies here are still less than charitable, to say the least. It's one thing to say "personally I'm really looking forward to her in the role, I think it's good that we're getting women in roles, but you do you OP", but most of these replies aren't that.

I think a some of my own irritation at this thread is coming from how much everybody else in this thread seems to think they know what OP wants at all simply because OP doesn't find Sally Hawkins to be an attractive woman, maybe especially in this role. It's a big jump from not finding her attractive in a movie that is clearly meant to cast a masculine, still pretty human looking monster in a romantic and complex light to "here, you'll probably enjoy Luis Royo's often grotesque monster ravishing giant-titty pinup models work" and stuff like that.

Re: The salt in this thread is kind of pathetic.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I think you're doing exactly what you accused these commenters of doing: intentionally misreading their words and choosing to interpret them in the worst possible way. The way you're talking about these commenters is far more "uncharitable" than any of their replies to OP, save perhaps the "quit whining" and "pig" comments... who are just two people in a widely replied to and (considering the sensitive nature of the topic) generally mellow thread.

Re: The salt in this thread is kind of pathetic.

[(Anonymous)]

There's definitely anger and irritation that OP dares to enjoy conventionally attractive women,

In a few comments, maybe. But I don't think it's representative of the tenor of the thread in the way that you made it out to be. And where there is strong disagreement, it's not entirely about OP "daring to enjoy conventionally attractive women" - it seems to be more about people just liking the movie as it exists better than OP's preferred version of it. Which I think is a valid response.

OP doesn't elaborate on what is "hot" to them at all, they could want anything from a small-chested butch-haircut boi in the role to the most botoxed woman ever to exist, literally the only qualifier we have here is that they don't think Sally Hawkins is attractive, they don't say anything about what "attractive" to them even IS, it's just everybody else thinking they immediately KNOW what OP finds attractive because Sally Hawkins isn't it.

I mean, with respect, charitable readings are one thing, but that seems unreasonable - when you're talking about "hot" versus plain, that's a specific thing, to a certain extent. It's certainly possible that they had some more particular, unconventional thing in mind. I don't know. But to me, it would be really hard to get that meaning from what the secret originally said.

There's one or two comments that are impolite, like the pig one. Sure. But for the most part, I think people are mostly just disagreeing with what the OP said in the secret, which is that they want a less plain actor for the role. I just don't really understand what you want people to do. I mean, the secret says what it says. To me, it really comes off like it's talking about beauty and plainness in a general, conventional way.

But regardless, I just don't think it's wrong for people to disagree with OP's secret.