[ SECRET POST #3959 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3959 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I would think the struggle (and sometimes failure) to control how pain makes us behave is a very relatable thing to most people. I don't think I know a single person who's always handled their shit well and never acted poorly because of it, nor can I claim I've always handled my shit well and never acted poorly because of it.

And that's what Whedon seems to be saying: Ultron may be an uber-powerful robot, but as villainous and mechanistic as his actions may seem, they can be broadly understood in very human terms. Because of how he was programmed, human disorder is distressing to him. Thus, the need to make it stop could be argued to be closer to an animal need than that of a mindless robot.

[(Anonymous)]

Look, you can't control how your feelings makes you feel. But you absolutely can control how they makes you act. If you literally can't, you need to be removed from society before you hurt someone. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a shitty person who is trying to justify being a shitty person by claiming that "they can't control how their pain makes them act."

[(Anonymous)]

You seem to be taking this to an extreme conclusion straight off, but I'm not sure why. I'm not talking about people being abusive. I'm talking about people not being perfect. And the reality of people being imperfect is that everyone (re)acts badly from time to time, out of distress, insecurity, whatever. We all deal with out shit the best we can, and many of us deal with our shit well enough that we manage to be decent people. But nobody deals with their shit so well that they never act wrongly because of it. We do have a responsibility to control how we act on our feelings, you're right about that. But if you're sitting there telling me you've never reacted to a situation wrongly because of how you felt, I...well, I don't believe you.

nayrt

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe you're some paragon who's never ever snapped at their partner because they've had a crappy day at the office, or flipped someone off in traffic, or been rude to a random stranger because they happened to be in your immediate vicinity. But most of us have been shitty at least once in a while. It's a huge leap from that to "you need to be removed from society."

Re: nayrt

[(Anonymous)]

DA - I've done crappy things to people because I was upset, but I take responsibility for having done them. I'd never say, "I had to snap at you, honey, because I can't help the way my pain makes me behave."

If you do that to your partner, then you are an abusive piece of shit and you should either be in jail or a mental institution before you progress from your current stance of "You know I can't help myself from verbally abusing you when I'm angry" to "I couldn't stop hitting you because I can't control how my pain makes me behave" to actually killing someone because you refuse to take responsibility for your own actions, you fucking psycho.

da

[(Anonymous)]

...right but none of those things are comparable to wiping out life on earth because messy humans are painful

even accounting for superhero blockbuster scale, it's still an *act of violence*

I can honestly say I have never in my life since gaining basic toddler impulse control lashed out with physical violence at a loved one or innocent bystander

and when I've lashed out verbally - rarely - I'm immediately swamped with guilt and scrupulosity and struggle to make amends

the fact that I am not perfectly in control of myself during moments of intense distress.....does not make ultron's self-pitying grandiose destruction relatable to me

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

okay like... I don't particularly like Whedon, and the quote he gave was corny and overdramatic as hell, there's no doubt about that

but at the end of the day, he is a writer and it is his job to find ways to make things like this relatable - at least to himself, so he can write them believably. it's not something that's really a federal case, I guess.

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

like, whether it's his job or not, the fact that this is what he actively professes is what's most relatable to him is...something that it's fair to judge him on? like, his words describing himself? corny and dramatic included?

I think Ultron was a shitshow and that Joss was basically ruined by his own popularity => ego and lack of editorial pressure to improve, but I don't actually hate the guy either. I still love Firefly and Dollhouse and Avengers 1 even if those things aren't perfect. But I think ~haven't you ever been out of control, it is TOO relatable~ is a really shitty defense of bad writing and a self-absorbed attitude.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd see your point if Whedon had said something along the lines of how you can't always control how your pain makes you behave, but he didn't say that. What he said sounded more like a blanket statement about supposed lack of control over one's own actions, just because one is in pain. And that's BS - very specifically, the kind of BS people spout when they're making excuses for why they can't stop being assholes.

THAT'S why people are reacting negatively to the quote.

[(Anonymous)]

Would you say that people are unable to control their negative reactions to the quote because reading it was so painful?