[ SECRET POST #538 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #538 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 67 secrets from Secret Submission Post #077.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 4 5 6 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 1 - repeat ], [ 1 - posted twice ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I think you're heavily underrating Nia's character, specially her development, and by proxy the romance results "uninteresting". Nia wasn't just a device "significant" in Simon's life but a personality on her own right, it's not about what she did for Simon but about what they did for each other. Their relationship was reciprocal. Nia learned from Simon to believe in herself, the only reason she never submerged into a dark personality of depression and cynicism is her encounter with Simon. Thanks to the little Kamina statues and Simon's own strength, she decided to forge a life different from her "the thing" her father conceived her as.


She rejecting Simon's proposal wasn't on "semantics" but rather on Simon's wording. Nia's speech pattern is the Japanese equivalent of our archaic Victorian English and Simon's actual dialog was a very modern form of Japanese speech. It was a detail lost in translation, but it was honestly a great bit of quirky characterization for them both. Besides, the dialog between Nia and the sisters was a question of her own feelings rather than Simon's.

[iolites.livejournal.com]

I still don't think that constitutes a romantic relationship, though. They're great friends and important influences in each other's lives, but that doesn't constitute romance. The love is there, but Simon and Nia seem to be lacking in physical attraction until the wedding itself.

That's what I meant. Nia rejects him because she takes his words literally. They cannot "become one" or do any of the things Simon talks about, since she doesn't realize he's being figurative. As far as canon shows us, the first time she considers it any differently is when the sisters get on her case about it. It doesn't occur to her to try and consider that he feels strongly enough to marry her, or to even marry him despite what he asks until someone else intervenes. That's why I find her side of the relationship lacking as well as the way the romance is played out.

[(Anonymous)]

They're great friends and important influences in each other's lives, but that doesn't constitute romance.

They wouldn’t be only “great friends”, they basically shaped each other! Nia was as important as Kamina to Simon. Yoko or Leeron are great friends; Nia is, like Kamina, a soul mate.

The love is there, but Simon and Nia seem to be lacking in physical attraction until the wedding itself.

Well, you see, Simon himself was lacking in physical attraction towards any female after the incident that resulted in Kamina's death. Early Simon was actually quite, for the lack of a better word, horny and very driven by his hormones but after said incident... it looked like if he completely lost interest in breasts, asses or similar sexual assets. That's why the fact that his relationship with Nia lacking said physical contact comes across as pretty telling of his character. Despite their love being created by psychological short comings it is played out like out of a fairy tale; they're soul lovers rather than body lovers.

Nia rejects him because she takes his words literally. They cannot "become one" or do any of the things Simon talks about, since she doesn't realize he's being figurative.

But this is a piece of very important characterization. Nia and Simon are metaphorically from a world apart, that’s what their relationship is all about! She was so immersed in her own little self-shaped logic that she became oblivious to her true feelings.

[poisontea.livejournal.com]

They wouldn’t be only “great friends”, they basically shaped each other! Nia was as important as Kamina to Simon. Yoko or Leeron are great friends; Nia is, like Kamina, a soul mate.

... I hate to jump in, but. Um. This from the person saying that anyone who ships Simon with ANYONE other than Nia, including Kamina, is missing the point? I'M SORRY BUT I AM RANDOMLY AMUSED HERE- *SHOT*

I do love Simon and Nia romantically. I just think that you... randomly made a pretty great argument about why people DO ship Kamina/Simon. XD

[(Anonymous)]

... I hate to jump in, but. Um. This from the person saying that anyone who ships Simon with ANYONE other than Nia, including Kamina, is missing the point?

What? I have nothing against Kamina/Simon.

[(Anonymous)]

To expand on this, I believe the only two characters Simon felt truly comfortable with were Kamina and Nia. That’s part of why he left Kamina City in the end, everyone he truly loved was dead. Everything he wanted was gone. He honestly cared about Rossiu, Yoko, Leeron, Viral and the rest of the gang… but he saw no point in keeping in touch with them.

[poisontea.livejournal.com]

He honestly cared about Rossiu, Yoko, Leeron, Viral and the rest of the gang… but he saw no point in keeping in touch with them.

Hahaaa, I'm not even gonna address that one much 'cos it's an entirely new rant... but on that subject, I do haveta say I find that response to Nia's death just as unhealthy as when he broke after Kamina's death. BUT I RLY DON'T FEEL LIKE TEAL DEERING.

Also, sorry, I thought you were the OP of not!secret #5 for some reason. ;; Sorry, it's just that secret pretty clearly states that Simon/Nia is the only intellectually valid pairing in the entire show, so you can imagine my "wtf" when you compared Nia and Simon's relationship to Kamina and Simon's. XD