[ SECRET POST #3978 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3978 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

not to make light of a high-octane neon comedy, but: rough beginning

the whole point of her hero arc is that the person she becomes/used to be/is supposed to be is not the person she was on sakaar. 'scrapper 142' has pretty obviously been dehumanized and exploited, even if she isn't a slave with a zapper, she's literally got a number instead of a name, she's falling down drunk, the supervisor lady has a grudge against her. she's...compromised, both morally and in terms of agency. when loki forces her to remember/face her past, and she has to crawl out of the hole and be better, she has to stop doing bad shit (like Tony, like a million other hero beginnings) and even gets her old armor as a visual sign that she's back to her old self

you can think that change was well done or valid or not or what, but the change is really clearly part of her story

antiheroes don't start off in the gutter and then clean themselves up and redeem themselves and save people, they keep being fucked up and morally dubious while achieving the main action

that distinction is the whole point

[ninety6tears]

It may be people are still calling her an antihero because without a lot of complicated development this movie didn't have time for, or even if they'd gotten it, many interpret her as probably forever being a little fucked up (even while being capable of doing good things like, gee, Loki, and I'm not about to start calling him a hero) if she was ever capable of being a slave trapper. The movie being funny doesn't change that. I almost feel like you're being willfully obtuse about that in order to be semantics police?

[(Anonymous)]

i'm not being willfully obtuse, I get that it's a major moral element of her backstory. I just...like having different words to refer to specific different story tropes because I think they're useful

if that's being semantics police, then okay

(Although, to continue Being Semantics Police, I tend to associate 'X police' with more vitriol than i feel about this)

you're right that her development didn't get the focus of the film, and maybe that does contribute to how people perceive her. For me, that development was well telegraphed enough and so cookie-cutter hero standard that it felt easy for me to paste in? but it makes sense that some people would respond differently

and she definitely is still fucked up by her experiences (see: I'm definitely still drinking) but I see her story role now as being pretty Traditionally Heroic. Although I also associate antiheroes in general with a much more...cynical tone for the work overall, which might be why it's so jarring for me to hear her called that, so maybe that's something I should look into.

(Sidebar for the record: man, I have no IDEA what I'd call loki as of this movie, but definitely agree that hero isn't it)