[ SECRET POST #3982 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3982 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[The Great British Bake Off, Paul Hollywood and Candice Brown]


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[Eliza Dushku in Dollhouse]


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[BTS]


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[Orphan Black]


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[Pokémon USUM]


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[The Duffer Brothers, Stranger Things]


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[Mindhunter]















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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

You know what else wasn't to its benefit?

The shitty writing.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Which means, of course, that network meddling could in no way make things even worse.

[(Anonymous)]

The network meddling didn't *help*, no.

[(Anonymous)]

So perhaps the original anon complaining about network meddling would have liked the show had the network not meddled, because to them, Joss's writing is not shitty? Despite whatever any of us think about his writing?

[(Anonymous)]

Hey Dollhouse is the one Joss Whedon show I didn't like at all. I'm not going to argue with you that it was good, because IMO it wasn't. But it takes a fucking village and a half to get a TV show off the ground, so unless you want to point me to the place in the credits where is says Joss created the show single-handedly, I'm just not here for the part where you act like everything wrong with Dollhouse was entirely Whedon's fault, simply because it gives you a happy to trash talk him.

[(Anonymous)]

I think the biggest problem with the show was the writing, and I assign the biggest responsibility for the writing to Joss because he was in charge of it.

I don't think that's total, 100%, full-speed-ahead naive auteur theory, but your mileage may vary, I guess.

[(Anonymous)]

Fair enough.

I mean, Joss' schtick seems to be taking an idea that seems kind of campy and bad and making something cool with it. With Dollhouse, IMO, he had the campy/kinda-bad-seeming idea, but he didn't manage to make something cool out of it, at least not within the first half a seasons. Maybe his ability to craft a good narrative failed him. Maybe the network interfered and fucked with things. Hell, it seems like it was some amount of both, plus some other stuff (like casting a lead actress who didn't have the chops to handle the role).

I guess...I'm disinclined to blame Whedon, because I don't like to blame creators for not creating better unless they repeatedly make the same egregious creative mistakes, which, IMO, Joss doesn't generally do. I am fine with blaming the network for interfering, though, because in their case it wasn't a failure of creative vision (which happens to all creative people at one point or another), it was a need to stick their bureaucratic, non-creative noses in where they didn't belong.

However, YMMV and I can respect that.