[ SECRET POST #3983 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3983 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Actors can be as dismissive as they want about fanworks, that's fine. What's kind of rude and small-minded of them is when they're dismissive and judgmental about fanworks, and what's even worse is when they're judgmental of the people who create them. This article in The New Statesman sums the whole thing up very well:

https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/2014/10/why-it-doesn-t-matter-what-benedict-cumberbatch-thinks-sherlock-fan-fiction

And the ratio of beauty to kinky porn is not skewed towards beauty.

Well, maybe if you believe that kinky porn and beauty are mutually exclusive it isn't. But that's not a belief I share. Also, what's good and worthy of respect about fandom isn't just its beautiful parts. It's its complexity, its creativeness and ingenuity, its enthusiasm, its vast productivity, it's diversity, etc. etc.

[(Anonymous)]

So, this really has very little to do with the wonderful complexity of fandom and everything to do with fans behaving as if actors owe it to them to be supportive of their fan works. I’m going to have to ask you to use your empathy here. Do you think Ben Cumbo thinks a graphic depiction of Martin Freeman’s swollen knot in his naturally lubed ass is beautiful? If so, I think you vastly overestimate how much the average person enjoys reading porn involving themselves and a coworker. Seriously, fandom has got to stop asking for head pats from the people they’re making fic/art/dildos of. We’re turning into the creepers stealing used gum and hair clippings, and then acting offended when actors say we’re crazy.

[(Anonymous)]

God, this. It creeps me the fuck out how much fans expect their idols to be charmed by graphic fetishes.

[(Anonymous)]

Seriously, fandom has got to stop asking for head pats from the people they’re making fic/art/dildos of.

I think this is where the miscommunication is happening. I don't want "headpats," and nobody I know in fandom wants "headpats."

What I want, what most of the fans I know want, and what it's perfectly reasonable for any fan to want, is for actors and creators of things to not say judgmental shit about something they don't understand and haven't even tried to understand. If you don't know about fandom, just say you don't know about it. Hell, if it makes you uncomfortable you can say that, that's fine. But this whole, "Let me make partonizing and judgmental assumptions, over-simplifications, and generalizations about an entire group of people " thing is kind of shitty.

Also, I find it odd that you're equating "we would like to not be judged and belittled" with "we would like headpats." That's...yeah, no.

Seriously, I have to recommend that New Statesman article again. It articulates the whole situation very well.

[(Anonymous)]

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Super late to the thread, but I just want to say THIS SO MUCH. There's a huge difference between "praise me for my fanworks!" Which veryvery few fans even want, and "please don't make ignorant judgments about our psyches, and our appearances, and our social lives, and our sexualities."

And I agree that newstatesman article is great. I remember reading it when that BC interview first came out and just being like, wow, this article actually gets it.

[(Anonymous)]

There's a huge difference between "praise me for my fanworks!" Which veryvery few fans even want, and "please don't make ignorant judgments about our psyches, and our appearances, and our social lives, and our sexualities."

Yeah, this, exactly. Like, the majority of fans I know would hate having their fanworks pushed onto the actors or creators. And I mean, that actually happened once in the Sherlock fandom, and literally the only response coming from fandom was outrage at the Mod (Caitlin Moran I think her name was?) for doing that.

It's definitely not praise most people are looking for. It's not being actively derided for no good reason.

[(Anonymous)]

They understand what they’re exposed to, and they’re judgmental because what they’re exposed to is, for the most part, creepy and invasive. You want them to be more graceful and tolerant about what is, in the overwhelming experience of most actors, artistic sexual harassment. Make the effort to put your house in order if you want to change how fandom is seen by celebrities. No one is required to go out of their way to spare the feelings of the people who are sexually harassing them even if they’re famous. Get over yourself.

DA

[(Anonymous)]

It seems like you don't really understand fandom, fanfic, or thethe nature of sexual harrassment at all.

[(Anonymous)]

what they’re exposed to is, for the most part, creepy and invasive.

I would agree with you that the miniscule fraction of fans who attempt to push their non-gen fanfic/fanart on the actors are being invasive. However, it is, as I previously said, a miniscule fraction of the fans who do that. And when the actors respond negatively to those fans and that particular behavior, I have no problem with it whatsoever.

However, let's be clear here: it's not the fanfic - sexual or otherwise, kinky or otherwise - that's creepy. It's people pushing it on the actors. If you don't push your fanfic on the actors, then it's all fine.

You make the assertion that "No one is required to go out of their way to spare the feelings of the people who are sexually harassing them." That does seem - as the anon above me has already pointed out - to be a very serious misunderstanding of both fanfic and what constitutes sexual harrassment. Fanfic is not sexual harrassment. I'm a little baffled that I'm even having to state that.

The only way fanfic could remotely be construed as sexual harrassment is if a fan were to push sexualized fanfic onto an actor. And that's because pushing any kind of sexual content onto anyone is inappropriate behavior. In that scenario, the fact that it's fanfic they're being pressured to peruse has very little to do with the inappropriatness of it.

But in the vast majority of cases, it's either interviewers pushing fan content onto actors, or actors looking into it for themselves out of curiosity. In the case that an interviewer pushes explicit fanworks into an actor, the actor would be within their rights to take issue with the interviewer for doing so - but blaming the creator of the fanwork would be unjust. In cases where an actor chooses to look into the fanworks that are being crated based on their character, they are perfectly within their rights to like or not like what they find. But if it makes them uncomfortable, the person who created the fanwork does not bear responsibility for the actor's discomfort.