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fandomsecrets2008-06-28 05:15 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2008-06-28 05:15 pm
[ SECRET POST #540 ]
⌈ Secret Post #540 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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oh, the drama in me...
And I hate to say it, but it's like homosexuality and Hell: if you do not pick and choose parts of the Bible, you would be "assaulting people with different opinions": you would be preaching the word of God to as many people as you could to save their souls of of decency, with no regard as to how it makes you appear or even if it put your life in danger. Even Jesus promoted that. Polite religion isn't Biblical religion- it's sort of approaching the decent religion I'm talking about, though.
I don't know. I've always thought that there's a time and place for everything and all types of manners to deal with people. Flat out telling random people they're wrong (...I just realized this now...) isn't always the best option, or...or just, okay. On one hand we're not supposed to compromise. On the other, how is being confrontational and blunt like that going to make people listen to you?
What I really want to say is that we're getting circular and seems to be agreeing to disagreeing more as we go on. I thank you for the quality food for thought that you've given--that's a lot of valid points. I don't have all the answers now; hopefully some day I will, and hopefully I am not too disappointing for now. I wish the best for you :)
Re: oh, the drama in me...
Re: oh, the drama in me...
Personally, I *need* belief. I extrapolte things and have found out that if there wasn't someone in charge of it all, some mysterous meaning behind it all, I *wouldn't* be as nice to others as I try to be - where's the point? And that said, I'd probably be dead because I've had a pretty difficult life and I just wouldn't see a point in continuing on if we're all going to suffer a meaningless, cessation-of-all death in the end. Then again, maybe I'm one of those "weak people humanity just does not need." - I've often thought that, really.
A lot of the "Biblical" things you mentioned have some contradictory verses in the New Testament (as I'm sure you know). "Doing away with" as you said... and a lot of it has different interpretations - hence why there are so many schools of thought/denominations in Christianity. Now, I'm not sure what the New Testament "gay scriptures" mean, myself -- To me, they can be anywhere from very literal to something we've misinterpreted over the years because we lack cultural context. Above all, *I* believe in being decent to people, and that in a Democratic society, we should all have the same rights. Everyone deserves respect.
Still, I can't help but cringe over some of the sampling you gave... being offended that someone wants to *pray* for you? Oh, come on - you may think they're terribly misguided, but *it means they care about you.* That's more than a lot of people have. Anime and the Internet give me pleasure, but if I run into an Amish or similar person who wants to "pray for me" over it, I'm not going to be offended - rather, touched (even as I disagree with them and enjoy my "devil stuff"). Seriously, I'll pray for you for lots of things - to be happy, to have a good life, for you to "see the light" about God if I feel like it. Why should it be so offensive, if prayer is somethint that is in the end meaningless and pointless to you? I'm looking at the sky with my hands folded and saying words, that's it.
As far as making you feel like a lesser person, I'm sorry, but that doesn't necessarily belong to a specific religion or any religion. That belongs to humanity. I've had atheists treat me like I was completely braindead (or insane) because I'm a Christian (or even for "general belief in a Higher Power"). Do you think that's *not* offensive? That it's *not* belittaling? I've been outright called a "waste!" As a result, I get a little twiggy around people when they mention that they're athiests and I have a mental not of "decent Atheists" (just like you have a mental note of "decent Christians").
Hell, I've been treated like I have less intelligence in fandom over something as stupid and petty as preferring an anime version over a manga version of something! Or because I don't enjoy porn fic! Or I don't ship such and such pair!
I do wish the best for you, I just really want people on all sides to think before they label people, or start treating them badly because of beliefs/lack thereof. As I see it we all have many, varied, and very personal reasons for beliving or not believing what we do, that there should be room for all of us, and that, above all, we should be respectful of one another. Failing that, we just avoid the people we don't like.
If you somehow have decided I'm a "decent person," it's quite okay with me if you want to think that I'm a "decent and or intelligent person DESPITE my religion." That doesn't offend me. Only labeling people wholesale as if they can't be this because they are this that pisses me off.