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And since I didn't see your thing about "blocking out science" -- Okay, I'll give you that some religious people (of all persuasions) do that, but not me.

I was turned onto Evolution by a fellow Christian, in fact. A doctor. Nice guy. Most of the people I've seen whaling on the obnoxiousness that is "Intelligent Design" have been various stripes of Christian, too.

Intelligent design is the one ragged on the most, but that's not just what I'm on about - the principles of what we call science are basically just recording what we see and drawing conclusions on what we observe. While believing in an omnipotent being doesn't necessarily have to contradict anything we've learned scientifically, it does stab science in the foot by saying 'we're going to draw conclusions based on this we can't observe'.

At any rate, if you chose to accept 'science as we know it' you are then forced to null out parts of the Bible, LARGE parts of the Bible. Yes, I know, it's not to be taken literally, it's advice for an age long gone, but when your religion is largely centered around the writings in one book I'm confused by the fact that different flavours of Christians seem to pick and chose the parts of the Bible that are convenient to them to believe in. What is the Bible then? Is it God's word, or is it just a bunch of humans cobbling together pieces of stories they'd heard? If the Bible was written by men, then where is the religion even supposed to come from?

I'm not trying to attack your faith personally - I've been around that bush about a million times with my dad (he's a non-church-goer as well, but definitely one with strong faith) and I know where that leads. :/ I'm genuinely interested in discussing it.

And I'm not sure I'm up for super- heavy disscussion right now. To tell you the truth, I'm still very upset at being called "gullible."

Personally, I tend to think that there's a whole lot of symbolic stuff in the Bible, and that "God tried to explain things so people back then could understand." If you went back in time and tried to talk to people about all the funky stuff we know about today - microbes and viruses, for example, they wouldn't quite get it because their "science" of the time would have said "We cannot see them."

As for the varying Christian demoninations... it really is very tricky, and is about interpretation. Some groups interpret things very litterally, others more symbolicly, and some "as applying to a specific time and place.' For example, women preachers - I used to go to a Baptist church and they were forbidden, citing something Paul wrote in one of is letters (which was most likely specific to a time and place, not a general rule for all the Church indefintely, but they took it pretty literally). The Baptists kind of ignored other parts of the Bible which *did* have women in power... such as Deborah in Judges. (Think it was Deb, I just woke up and am too lazy to get my Bible to look it up again right now).

I went a couple of times to the Methodist church near where I live - they had a lady preacher because the Methodists interpret things differetly.

Humans are natural arguers and will debate upon the details of everything - whether it's of an ancient book, or thoeries in science --- hot debate over the origin of life (primoridal soup or hydrothermal vents?), the existance of other planets (until that was confirmed by somene seeing star-wobble), everything. When it comes down to it, there's loads of evidence for everything and everyone picks and chooses.

The problem with religion is that it has to remain the debate of religious scholars and indivuduals because God's Will, isn't exactly something one can apply the natural, physical aspects of scientific method to. It belongs to a whole different sphere (supernatural rather than natural). And that's probably where your problems with religion lie? I understand that, I really do. And I'm not out to convert you.

I just see "faith" and "science" as just belonging to completely different realms. And I like both.

I only get upset when people throw out insulting terms, or they act like "once we get rid of all the stupid religious people, we can have a shining atheist utopia" or whatnot. Listen, I already know that I am a weak person (for many reasons, not just the religion thing). I see people all the time wanting people of this or that group that I belong to to GTFO the planet, or to "never reproduce" (which probably will not be a problem with me, actually). I'm not going to be able to be "reeducated." Just as you cannot bring yourself to believe no matter how much you want to - I have the opposite problem. I cannot just snap my fingers and stop believing (even during those days I think life would be easier for me if I didn't).

My beliefs have changed a bit... I used to be a bullheaded Southern Baptist, now I'm a Methodist-interested, non-church going "basic Christian" who is skeptical of the U.S. religio-politics. But I cannot just snap my fingers and completely abandon the of of God. Maybe it makes me weak, but I've always been "more heart than head" -- and it does hurt to see insults, or to have people imply that "my ilk" are worthless people. (not talking yo specifically, just this whole thread which has made my head hurt)

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