[ SECRET POST #3991 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3991 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[The Fall]


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[Louisa May Alcott, Little Men]


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[Winona Ryder, Jennifer Connelly]


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[Marvel Comics]


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[Shetland]


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Notes:

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - this is not really the place for blind items ].
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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

It's endlessly frustrating to me how incapable I am of understanding this world view - the idea that entertainment media has some moral imperative to call out bad behavior. I don't get it. And it seems like I'm in such a minority there. I wish I could understand or feel what you all feel about it.

[(Anonymous)]

Did you actually read the secret? It says: "I don't think it's always media's job to call out creepy behavior but it also seems weird when people act like it's an embarrassing faux pas instead of an incredibly disturbing, invasive act." Emphasis mine.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, my point is that I don't understand the world view that it's ever media's job. I've never experienced what OP is talking about. Feeling weirded out that morality isn't being appropriately addressed within a narrative.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

It's a mystery show. The entire point of a mystery show is to expose the various forms of wrongdoing that happens to some form of justice. Often, sideplots to the primary mystery result in the exposure of different ethical flaws.

[(Anonymous)]

Like cbrachyrhynchos said, the secret is a crime show. It'd be weird NOT to address the morality of a great many issues, given the context. In fact, every episode generally does this.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think, at all, that media has a moral imperative to call out bad behavior. I do think that morality is one of the lenses that we can use to understand and interpret entertainment media. We can look at the plot and characterization and writing and the tone that the work takes and the way that things are depicted, and draw conclusions about the work's point of view from those things. And we can evaluate that either internally - in terms of the coherence of the point of view it takes - and we can also, if we want, do so externally, in terms of whether we agree with that point of view.

So, with Shetland, for instance, it's a detective series with a lead character - Jimmy Perez - who is depicted as being both fundamentally sympathetic and as caring about morality. And the show generally depicts his caring about morality as good. It depicts characters as villainous and unsympathetic, in the main, in proportion to the morality of their actions. Often (though not always) part of the satisfaction of the conclusion comes from seeing a settling of moral accounts. So, in general, this is a series which cares a lot about morality, in which morality is part of the world being depicted. And so, if it's the case that some piece of that work conflicts with the larger morality, pointing that out is a valid criticism of the work.

In contrast, imagine a detective series about a hypothetical private eye who is totally cynical and has no morality whatsoever, that generally depicts people as hypocritical, that doesn't hinge the action of its plots on a sense of justice, and that's generally morally bleak - making the kind of criticism we're talking about would make much less sense in that case. Because in that case, the work doesn't set up the expectation that it's going to care about morality, or make moral judgments. So you can't exactly say that it's inconsistent.

Although that still might not be to everyone's taste, I don't know, there's no accounting for taste. But that's personally how I feel about it.

[(Anonymous)]

Good point. In this case, I'd say it IS a bit odd that Perez had so little to say about on the subject and didn't make more of a point about the stalking, even in the context of a murder case. Because he's portrayed as a very kind, moral man with a fairly firm grasp on morals and you'd think with a teenage daughter AND a young female sergeant he'd be very conscious about the dangers of antisocial behavior toward women.

And for everyone who might say, "But the murder is a higher priority"... well, sure. But if you've seen the show, you know that there other plenty of other, smaller issues addressed in it, often by this character, all the time. This is done because 1) to round out his personality and show that he's not ONLY about his job 2) to round out the setting of the island and show the other inhabitants and their lives and 3) because very few crime shows don't have sub plots and scenes that illustrate character, etc. in addition to being a plot about someone's murder.