[ SECRET POST #541 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #541 ⌋

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Comments

Re: 101, 107, 151

[cloudyfeet.livejournal.com]

Unless the possibility opens up, utopia will always be a theory to everybody but dedicated optimists. If a perfect or near-perfect world ever became possible, through any sort of method, would you still think that the idea is only a theory? I believe that Kira's world was functioning better than the one before. The only people who needed to be scared were the criminals, nobody else would have to worry as long as they led a crime-free life, which is not unreasonable. That's what Kira was trying to do, change things so that becoming a criminal automatically became something to fear. About the organized crime: there is no possible way, short of omnipotence, that anyone can wipe out crime 100%. Ever. There will always be criminals, but Kira forced them to be less bold about what they did, and therefore they became less of a threat. Also, the "Kira's Kingdom" cult was just a bunch of businesspeople trying to make cash off of Kira and the gullible. Any intelligent person could see that. Even Mikami, who is the biggest Kira fanboy ever, started killing them off. Odds are that they would fade or turn into a fringe group with time.

Yes, Kira and law enforcement were at odds, but if the justice system wasn't flawed then there would never have been the need for Kira in the first place. People who commit crimes can go free with a good lawyer and/or circumstantial evidence, and because Light saw that as unfair, he killed the people who were certainly (or at least very likely to be) guilty. I'm not mistaking him as anything less than a vigilante, I just happen to think that he's a vigilante who was right. If he had been handed an Imprison Note that locked people in cages instead of killing them, I'm sure he would have used that in the same way and for the same reason. But he was handed a Death Note, so he made use of the power he was given.

Light got mad because Lind called him evil, but what makes him mad and what makes him act can be different things. If he was killing anybody who spoke out against Kira, I think they would show more than just one open-to-interpretation example of it. Light went after L more intensely than he should have, though, and that's where Kira and I differ--if I was Kira, I would not think L was a big deal at all. But Light was always bored with life, and he starting to get bored again even after he became Kira, so he threw himself into the excitement that L's chase created. Without that conflict, though, Death Note would be a pretty dull story, so it was pretty much required.

Re: 101, 107, 151

[amanuensis1.livejournal.com]

(By the way, thank you, this is great, I haven't had the opportunity for discussion like this yet!)

I think I cannot go further with your thoughts regarding utopia--my perception is that the question has become, "If the theoretical became real, would you call it only theoretical then?" The equivalent of "If b be came a, would you agree that a=a?" when my argument is that b is highly unlikely to become a.

One of the most significant characters in Death Note, I'd argue, is Matsuda, because his thoughts reflect what a lot of the audience thinks. Matsuda knows at heart that what Kira is doing violates ethical decency, in performing killings, but is doing it for the greater good, to remove bad people from the population and make the world a better place. And there are a lot of positives in what Kira's doing. Matsuda's not afraid to say these things to his fellow agents. (Well, he's afraid, but he does say them at one point.) If you were to ask me if I'd like living in a world where Kira ruled, I'd feel pretty mixed myself. On the one hand, I'm not likely to commit willful crimes and be at risk. And I'd like it if I felt safer with a lot of the serious criminal element out of the way, and the petty criminal element afraid to act. What you have to say about Kira being a vigilante is true, and if I felt he had good judgment in his vigilanteism, I might be very much on the Kira bandwagon myself.

Except. Except even with perfect judgment, what happens in such a society. It becomes a witch hunt. We saw it happening in Kira's world, where people arrested begged their names to be concealed. We saw it among Kira supporters, who were eager to expose criminals. I may be right in thinking Kira even encouraged this, though I can't cite a quote from memory. At any rate, Kira never told people to mind their own business when it did occur, so Kira is guilty of perpetuating the witch hunt. Tell me I don't need to explain why that's a bad thing.

And Kira the vigilante relied upon a flawed, as you say, law enforcement system. Very dangerous, when you're dealing death. Too much risk to punish those incorrectly accused and/or imprisoned, if you have any perspective of how final death is as a judgment.

Which leads to your discussion that Kira might have used lesser powers if he'd had them (such as imprisonment). Yes, he might have--but he had the power of death and chose to use it. I don't think one can argue "that's all he had, so he had to use it." If someone gave me the power to give criminals a teensy electrical shock whenever they did something illegal, and I chose to use it, I might be doing a good thing with very little grey, in trying to warn them "I know what you're doing, so stop it." Give me the power to point out criminals to the police, so that the police can take their own legal action, and I might use that too. Give me the power to freeze people in place until I let them go--maybe so they have to wait until the police get there--now we're getting into a scarier area. I don't know that I would accept such a power. Give me the power to kill, and I am not allowed to argue, "But that's all the power you gave me to work with, you didn't give me a lesser power, so, I had to use it." I must still take responsibility for accepting it at all! And with it I have to accept the consequences.

And ultimately, no, I don't think Light showed himself to be a good vigilante. As soon as he started to kill the innocent to keep them from criticising him or catching him, using that Death Note, he violated the line of justice. So a Kira who was a good vigilante, I could support. But this Kira, no.