[ SECRET POST #3993 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3993 ⌋

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Comments

[ibbity]

I think in some cases you're probably right, but as a bi woman myself I've noticed a lot of subtle attempts to exclude bi women from...idk, "full" queerness? "counting" as queer? in wlw spaces that should theoretically be inclusive of us but do kind of have a "lesbians only" vibe to them. I think there's more hostility, overt or covert, and resentment towards the bi contingent among lesbians than there is among gay men. At least such has been my experience and I don't think I'm unique enough to be the only bi woman who's ever felt this way. There's gatekeeping there sometimes---witness the persistence of "gold star lesbians" as a concept. I can't say anything about the specific example in the secret but in general I do think there tends to be a lot of bi erasure among 100% gay women.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I think this is totally a fair point, and I want to be clear that I'm definitely not trying to dismiss, or really even comment on, the broader social dynamics. I want to be very clear that I'm only talking about the specific way that "gay" is used as a descriptor for women and not making any more general arguments whatsoever.

[ibbity]

On tumblr specifically I've definitely seen people use it that way, sometimes they'll kind of alternate gay with wlw in a post that pretty clearly isn't talking about 100% lesbian women/characters/what have you. I just wish people wouldn't say "gay" when what they actually mean is "queer", lol. It'd be less confusing if people would use the word we already have that means "basically just...not straight, in general" when that's the concept they mean instead of using gay, which is supposed to have the "100% only into own sex" meaning.

[(Anonymous)]

Can I ask (in all seriousness) is there is a current generally-accepted definition of 'queer'? Last time I checked, it covered everything that wasn't cishet; is that still it? (So both gender identity as well as orientation?)

[ibbity]

As far as I know, yeah. Which is why it's so annoying when people try to use "gay" to refer to anyone not cishet regardless of nuance.

[cloudtrader]

I know that some people use the term gay to refer to bisexual women rather than the term queer because some people are offended by the term queer based on it being used as a slur against them, even though the term queer has been almost universally reclaimed. Still. *shrugs*