[ SECRET POST #3993 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3993 ⌋

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Comments

[erinptah]

Just being able to distinguish between good and evil is not the same as having a critical point of view towards tradition generally.

I'm not sure I see the difference between "being able to distinguish that some traditions are not good" and "having a critical point of view toward tradition".

Unless you're saying that the only traditions the characters could distinguish from "good" were "capital-E Evil"? And I'm not sure that's true, given Eowyn.

...you make it sound like I'm faulting Tolkien for writing a fantasy story about magical royalty, and I'm not. Fantasy magical democracies are a cool idea in general, is my point, not something a person has to write in order to prove they're a modern progressive.

And I'd actually forgotten what hyarrowen mentions, that the support of the people is at least included in Tolkien's vision of magical fantasy kingship.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sure I see the difference between "being able to distinguish that some traditions are not good" and "having a critical point of view toward tradition".

On the one hand, believing that - while some specific traditions are evil - tradition on the whole is broadly good and important, and things that happened in the distant past can provide a legitimate authority and legitimacy and justification for things that are happening in the present day.

On the other hand, believing that traditions have to be able to justify themselves in contemporary terms - that things aren't justified simply because of tradition and the past and history.

...you make it sound like I'm faulting Tolkien for writing a fantasy story about magical royalty, and I'm not. Fantasy magical democracies are a cool idea in general, is my point, not something a person has to write in order to prove they're a modern progressive.

My point is that Tolkien wasn't a modern progressive, and that this is the fundamental underlying reason that his work does not sound like something written by a modern progressive.

And I'd actually forgotten what [personal profile] hyarrowen mentions, that the support of the people is at least included in Tolkien's vision of magical fantasy kingship.

I can see where that's coming from, but I don't think that after-the-fact acclamation of a monarch is really something that we should consider an example of "election" in the modern democratic sense. It's not as though, had the people not acclaimed him, they would have said "oh, hey, hang on, never mind, we're going to take back that crown now."

I hope this doesn't come across as harsh, I really don't mean it to be and I don't want to be critical of you at all. I don't even really want to be critical of Tolkien at all. I don't really think it's a bad thing. It's just part of the man and his work.

[erinptah]

It's not about being harsh, it's just, you keep phrasing things like you're disputing something I said even when you're not making points I've disagreed with =/