[ SECRET POST #3998 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3998 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

06. https://i.imgur.com/VIoiCoU.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. I only really liked the Starks when Ned and Robb were around. Bran bores me to tears. The only Stark I like is Arya but only because I'm a sucker for stories of girls running away and learning how to fight.

Still kinda pissed that Jon ended up a Targaryen and how hard they are pushing that as some hugely important thing that makes him rightful heir to the throne. He's always been kinda Gary Stu-ish but this is pushing it. I'm not that involved in fandom but I imagine the hardcore Stark stans weren't too happy about that.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree - and they caused a lot of disruption which could have been avoided, but we're supposed to view them as POV characters. I'm a Lancastrian through and through and always had trouble siding with the York avatars anyway. But I have a feeling Arya might be very important in the final series; she can't have spent all that time learning to be an assassin for no reason. She's a great character, and the youngest of the family, and I hope she gets her due.

[(Anonymous)]

Arya is the middle child. Even with Rickon dead, she's still an elder sister to Bran.

[(Anonymous)]

Blimey! I got that completely wrong, I was convinced she was the youngest! /overidentification

I still hope she gets to all Gotterdammerung in the last series.

[(Anonymous)]

god i feel like i could have written this, the only time i liked arya is when she murdered everyone and that's pretty much the only time i've given a fuck about the starks.

[(Anonymous)]

I kind of agree - I don't mind the Starks as much as you do, but I think the kind of plot dynamic you're talking about here is part of a larger problem with ASOIAF and the way its plot is playing out.

Sure, on the surface level you have all kinds of shocking moments. But once you get past that stuff, or once you get used to the idea that life is hard and people die frequently, there's not that much more beyond it. The plot is structurally weak and boring. It's just disguised by 3 or 4 really shocking moments and a few strong characters.

It's hard for me to escape the conclusion that at the end of the day, GRRM is fundamentally a competent writer who's mostly just applying a set of late-1970s SF&F approaches to epic fantasy in a pretty programmatic way.

[el_regrs]

I never got the vibe that the Starks were supposed to be heroes...at least, not from the point of view of the audience. I know Ned preached a lot about honor but folks rolled their eyes because as far as everyone knows (.......outside of fan theories and GoT season 7) he had a bastard. They might start out one way but end up getting in situations that challenge their ability to remain... hero-like? Pure? Whatever it is. Everybody's complicated, and being a hero and flaunting honor usually ends up getting the... honor-flaunting, hero-being killed in Westeros.

[(Anonymous)]

Heroes are always dull.

[(Anonymous)]

So wait, he's Targ but also he's as much as Stark as Targ, PLUS he was raised by Starks and thinks he has Stark genes and yet despite all of this he doesn't count as a Stark because only his dad's legacy matter and fuck his mom and his mom's family? How about no?

[(Anonymous)]

I get where you're coming from, but I also think it's pretty reasonable to talk in terms of dynastic politics when it comes to Game of Thrones

and in terms of dynastic politics, yeah, he's a Targ

[(Anonymous)]

As far as dynasties go, the Targaryens were definitively deposed, and Stannis is the true king of the new dynasty. But since the show killed Stannis and is going gung-ho with the Ae-Jon Snow-garyen plot--is everyone just going to A) accept a new Targaryen after the last one went SO well, and then B) believe only the word of a weirdo kid who claims to be a seer but has every reason, including the deaths of his entire family and his own paralysis, to lie about his half-brother's parentage?

[(Anonymous)]

yes, because magic, and dragons

[insanenoodlyguy]

The Targaryens being deposed lasts exactly as long as the Baratheon/Lannisters are undeposed. And there's a pissed off lady with two good dragons and a pretty decent alliance all set up to do just that. Then it's just a few more nephew/aunt incest-romps before the old line is restored.

[(Anonymous)]

The thing is the show always portrays him as more of a bastard before a Stark. Jon himself is always saying "I'm not a Stark" amongst all the heavy handed Targ foreshadowing. Then there is the fact that he has the biggest claim to the throne (according to the show) only because of his father. They even went as far as to make him a legitimate Targ by making Rhaegar and Lyanna actually married.

Personally I don't think he'd automatically consider himself a Targ if he found out but he never considered himself a Stark either.

[(Anonymous)]

Jon is both Stark and Targaryen. He is the Song of Ice and Fire.