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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-12-15 06:55 pm

[ SECRET POST #3999 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3999 ⌋

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09. [SPOILERS for Stranger Things]



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[personal profile] fscom 2017-12-15 11:57 pm (UTC)(link)
10. [SPOILERS for Stranger Things]
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(Anonymous) 2017-12-16 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
Agreed, Steve was way cooler and more fun than Nancy and Jonathan combined.

(Anonymous) 2017-12-16 12:13 am (UTC)(link)
Good boyfriends don’t participate in public slut-shamings

(Anonymous) 2017-12-16 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
Post season 1. Hell post the first half of season 1.

(Anonymous) 2017-12-16 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
Troll harder, Tumblrina.

(Anonymous) 2017-12-16 12:35 am (UTC)(link)
Shitlord

(Anonymous) 2017-12-16 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
Presumably that may have been part of why he calls himself a "shitty boyfriend" and doesn't claim to be a good boyfriend.

(Anonymous) 2017-12-16 12:23 am (UTC)(link)
But OP's claim - which AYRT is responding to - is that he is, in fact, a good boyfriend.

(Anonymous) 2017-12-16 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
OP also clarifies "post season one", i.e. after the slut shaming incident.

(Anonymous) 2017-12-16 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
Sure! I think that's a much more reasonable response in the context of the conversation.
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[personal profile] ninety6tears 2017-12-16 01:36 am (UTC)(link)
But that was a reasonable argument, because Steve didn't say to Nancy, "I was a shitty boyfriend in season one."

(Anonymous) 2017-12-16 03:55 pm (UTC)(link)
He acknowledged that he shouldn't have let Tommy deface the marquee and helped the guy at the theater clean it up. Yes, it was a shitty thing to do, and no one is arguing that it was OK. But Steve recognizing that it was shitty, acknowledging out loud that it was the wrong thing to do, and working to make it better, is probably the best possible outcome after the shitty thing had been done.

[personal profile] cbrachyrhynchos 2017-12-16 12:17 am (UTC)(link)
I thought it was an Adventures in Babysitting callout. (Alas, it would be hard to replace Albert Collins.)
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[personal profile] ninety6tears 2017-12-16 01:34 am (UTC)(link)
Sorry, I have a lot of words that I'm literally pasting from what I've said elsewhere on this exact subject.

Nancy should have flaws, but this shit is a consequence of sexism in the writing. I hated that line, and I hated “I waited for you” and I hated all that bullshit of projecting the whole Nice Guy myth of “the socially ~safe boyfriend vs. the right one” onto a love triangle where it did not apply and bending this smart compassionate character they had in Nancy into that trope when it DOES NOT FIT. Steve, the guy who was clearly trying but failing to completely understand what Nancy was going through because NO ONE could was not a “safe” choice because Nancy was going through some uniquely traumatic shit and the right guy with ~~shared trauma (ugh) is bullshit.

If ever there was a narrative that needed to acknowledge that sometimes a relationship with the right guy isn’t going to magically fix everything for a girl, holy shit. But instead we get told that a relationship which was so refreshing to see where it ended up in S1 (because for gods sake let girls date the popular guys without being seen as fickle or shallow or whatever) is retroactively bullshit, he was just a stand-in for Jonathan, and there’s virtually no reason for it except the arbitrary triangle.

I loved season 2, and I didn’t hate Jonathan/Nancy in S1, really, but that shit was heartbreaking.

(Anonymous) 2017-12-16 03:06 am (UTC)(link)
I loved that she didn't end up with Jonathan at the end of the first season specifically because the whole "dating the unpopular kid is the ~right~ choice" thing is so overdone & I'm 100% sick of it. Steve is a good dude. If he's not right for Nancy, I mean, that's fine, but nothing about season 2 proved to me that she had any chemistry whatsoever with Jonathan. Couldn't she just have broken up with Steve then remained platonic friends with both of them? Why force her into a relationship at all (especially when the "forcing" involves some creepy old dude trying to manipulate them into sleeping with each other in his house)?

They did a hell of a lot to make Steve the most sympathetic one of the three, though, which is the main reason I'm so confused by it.
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[personal profile] ninety6tears 2017-12-16 03:59 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I still would have been sad if Steve and Nancy's relationship had just not made it for all the understandable reasons related to her grief and them being really young, etc., and I was really crushed by the Halloween episode just because they committed fully to showing Steve's heartbreak but I thought all that was really well done and realistic...and then she takes off with Jonathan and it's all about forcing them together with the intervention of a creepy adult whose pseudo-instincts about their relationship are fed straight out of the manual of Telling Rather Than Showing.

(Anonymous) 2017-12-17 03:51 am (UTC)(link)
you just perfectly summed up why i hated what they did and how they did it, thank you.