[ SECRET POST #4000 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4000 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt What romantic subtext? I'm basing my read of their relationship off of his bashing her in DD, so that's not a good relationship to begin with, but he asks her for help in Punisher, gets her involved in his messes, and loyalty is huge for him, as seen by all his other relationships. He kills people to protect a good kid who shared a sandwich with him, and he kills for everybody in his 'family'. It's all he has left in his life, so when I'm looking at Karen and Frank standing close to each other and he gives her the same head bump he gives the rest of his 'family' I'm not reading anything shippy into that, considering how little time they spend together and how Frank isn't thinking of her at the end of the series, he's still all about his wife.

Since Netflix Marvel hasn't validated anything about them being a ship and only seems to support Karen as Frank's 'family', then I'm just taking that at face value. They could always validate it but then I'd be grossed out to think that any woman would put up with how Frank treated Karen in the past and consider them an end game lovey romance now. That's just depressing.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I think he's still in love with his wife and sees Karen as family to protect because of her efforts to protect *him* in DD.

And Karen...well, I don't get her character at all and her apparent obsession but also repulsion for violent men that she can chastize for violent tendencies when she is an unrepentant murderer, herself. (There was no reason she had to shoot unarmed Westley when she had his gun in her hand. In fact, *not* killing him would have meant having a wedge to bring down Fisk legally. Also, she's very shady about her past and I wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't the first "self-defense" act she's indulged in.)

[(Anonymous)]

You're not wrong about Karen. Your reasoning is exactly why she gets a lot of hate in the DD fandom, because she's such a hypocrite. I'm really tired of how the shows seem to let her get away with everything and that's okay, but the dudes have to pay the full price for fucking up even a little.