[ SECRET POST #4001 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4001 ⌋

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[fscom]

03. https://i.imgur.com/tru7qMl.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

Interesting how you picked Moana for the image since I found her really forgettable, just your standard perky adventurous cutie with no real personality flaws. Works as a role model for kids I guess, nothing more.

[(Anonymous)]

I liked how her tensions with her dad worked out. (Familiar recipe, but I liked the way it was cooked.)

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, no kidding. What was unique about her? She was poor man's Mulan. Wanted more adventure than her role in society dictated. Kinda butted heads with her dad about it. Had a mystical grandma. Leaves family, is a little spunky, saves world.

She didn't have any character flaws, even. The movie briefly flirted with the idea that she was too headstrong, but without anything to show for it really.

[soldatsasha]

Your description also fits Pocahontas (and Ariel, minus the "mystical grandma" part).

I haven't seen Moana so maybe she really is super different and interesting. But Disney heroines have always been fairly formulaic, so I doubt it. And I mean it's fine that they all fit a formula, because it's a formula that works really well for main characters. Out of all of the Disney movies I've seen, which is most of them at this point, Snow White is the only one who really breaks the mold in a significant way. So I don't want to sound too negative about Moana, I'm sure it's a great movie.

But I think just judging by the newer movies I have seen, I don't know how you could defend their characters being less flat than classic movies. Nowadays they just spend more screentime on musical numbers to sing about how spunky and adventurous they are. And Beauty and the Beast is the prime example of why having a couple songs about your adventurous spirit really isn't enough.

But the end result is really the same. Whether a character is questing for love or freedom or adventure or respect, one goal isn't automatically better or more interesting than another. A character isn't flat just because she dreams of true love like the old princesses, or round because she wants to sail the seven seas.

[(Anonymous)]

Snow White was the first, so there wasn't really a mold for Disney heroines at that point.

[(Anonymous)]

I think the music and maybe the pacing is definitely more in-tune with modern audiences than the pre-Disney renaissance animated movies. Consider Snow White's high-pitched singing, which I didn't even as a kid 30 years ago, before the Disney renaissance started.

I also prefer the "Have an adventure, yay!" story in Moana to the "Give up you're voice and hope a dude kisses you!" story in The Little Mermaid.

[(Anonymous)]

Most of the Disney characters are flat. The music and animation is usually good enough to distract from that.
I think nostalgia is a big factor in the popularity of the older movies. As someone who saw most of the movies as an adult, I've never cared much for them. My siblings are the same.

I'm curious about whether its the same for others.

[(Anonymous)]

it's definitely that way for me. Never paid attention to Disney when I was a kid. My Aunt gave my daughter all the Disney movies on VHS through Hunchback when she was a kid and she burned through them. I found them rather annoying, tbh. I pretty much hate The Lion King because she watched it so many times. Same goes for Toy Story. :/

[(Anonymous)]

Wow. You sound absolutely soulless and devoid of human feeling/joy. I pity your kid.

[(Anonymous)]

I saw some of the classics as a child and still have some nostalgia for them. I also enjoy Beauty and the Beast and the first half of Lion King. All others I either saw as a late teen or an adult and I can't stand them, though I think the visuals pre-CGI only are quite stunning. I hate the new all-CGI films. They're ugly, I don't like any of the music, and the characters are forgettable.

[hamimi_fk]

Wait, but what about Esmeralda from the Hunchback of Notre Dame?? She wasn't a princess and she had actual texture to her character. Unless I'm mistaken (it's been awhile since I've watched the movie).

[(Anonymous)]

I think a lot of the Renaissance "princesses" had character, as much or moreso than the current films. Mulan comes to mind - I think she was one of the best Disney characters, period, complete with flaws. I'm not sure why you think they are better now. Sure, they are relying less on men saving them with love, but that doesn't inherently make them better characters. Personally, I find the recent movies a lot less adventurous and imaginative than the older ones. But to each their own.

[(Anonymous)]

Aladdin is perfect, shut yo mouth

[(Anonymous)]

Roaring with laughter that you might actually think Moana was some deep, 3-D heroine. Really? Why? Because she's not white? Please.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, she wasn't sitting in the window singing "Someday my prince will come" or waiting, while in a corpse-like slumber, for a prince to kiss her, so... she's a step up from the classics, I feel.

Also, there was a strong element of learning going on. I mean, yes, part of it was returning the heart etc. etc. But the girl also revived an old skill by travelling with Maui: how to navigate. I enjoyed the part of the story that wasn't just Another Chosen One, it was someone digging in and learning how to do stuff. And we could see her improving as time went on.

Learning things is cool!

[(Anonymous)]

Well, Moana wasn’t an abused orphan with people trying to kill her for hitting puberty, so you know, she had a lot of free time to devote to self-discovery. Rich people privileges.

[(Anonymous)]

Wait... what Disney princess has sat in a window just waiting for a prince to save her/true love to come since like... sleeping beauty? None of the films in the past several decades utilized that trope. Moana isn't special for subverting it.