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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-12-19 06:47 pm

[ SECRET POST #4003 ]


⌈ Secret Post #4003 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2017-12-20 12:12 am (UTC)(link)
Well, I think you've sort of identified the reason that it doesn't exist: because the underlying narrative is fundamentally flawed and shouldn't be replicated. Just reversing the polarity on a bad thing doesn't mean that it automatically becomes a good thing.

(That's not to say that a Black Savior narrative would be equally problematic to a White Savior narrative - there are obviously fundamental differences based on the reality of history and society, and I can see a few circumstances were a Black Savior thing could conceivably work. But I think the broader point is that people who understand that savior narratives are bad are unlikely to keep writing them)

(Anonymous) 2017-12-20 12:34 am (UTC)(link)
Wouldn't that be the Wise Black Guy trope?

(Anonymous) 2017-12-20 12:57 am (UTC)(link)
I think OP means doing it on a more civilizational level and in a more proactive way

Rather than having the character be an advisor or other secondary character

(Anonymous) 2017-12-20 12:55 am (UTC)(link)
You're talking about the Magical Negro trope.

(Anonymous) 2017-12-20 01:22 am (UTC)(link)
That's what I thought.

(Anonymous) 2017-12-20 01:48 am (UTC)(link)
No, I think Magical Negroes are traditionally supporting characters that play fairy godmother to a white protagonist. Black Savior would be distinct from that.

I've recently (idly) thought about writing something like this, although at the time I mostly considered making it a joke rather than playing it straight. But I think it's worth trying to play straight. It may seem like a silly idea, but it could be an interesting story.

(Anonymous) 2017-12-20 02:12 am (UTC)(link)
Nah, it's not really the same. When stories do the White Savior trope, the WS is the main character. Magical Negro is always a sidekick or minor character and they're usually aiding the protagonist, not saving a whole group of people.
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[personal profile] cakemage 2017-12-20 01:00 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, race!Savior stories have problems by default, but I understand the urge to turn it around. For instance, I'm so sick of stories where it turns out that the culture/architecture/advancement of indigenous peoples turns out to be 'cause of aliens. Y'know, like "oh, the Aztecs didn't really build their beautiful civilization themselves, aliens did it for them/showed them how!" "The Easter Island heads were really put there by ALIENS!" "Native Americans were primitive morons until white aliens showed up and taught them their culture!" (Thank you, Voyager.) That's why I've been thinking of writing a short story about aliens crash-landing in Navajo territory and being taught how to survive by the tribe, and when they repair their ship and return home, their own culture is shaped by what they learned of Navajo culture during their experience.

(Anonymous) 2017-12-20 02:43 am (UTC)(link)
That sounds really cool! You should write it.

That reminds me of that X-Files episode.

(Anonymous) 2017-12-20 05:35 am (UTC)(link)
I grew up on the Navajo reservation and when Hosteen tells Mulder that Anasazi means 'the ancient aliens', pretty much everyone I knew kind of went, "Huh?" Probably not that relevant, just made me think of it.
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[personal profile] feotakahari 2017-12-20 02:05 am (UTC)(link)
I’ve heard Turok has a Native American protagonist who gets in touch with his lost roots and learns super-special Native American powers. I don’t know if he saves anyone, though.