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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-12-19 06:47 pm

[ SECRET POST #4003 ]


⌈ Secret Post #4003 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2017-12-20 08:39 am (UTC)(link)
Sorry, but no. It is unreasonable.

If a machine suddenly feels a sense of panic because it thinks its outer shell is too fat, then maybe I'd see what you're getting at in terms of the other side of that human emotion spectrum. But for now? That just sounds like a load of bull.

(Anonymous) 2017-12-20 10:49 am (UTC)(link)
That just sounds like a load of bull.

I feel like you watched a very different show than I did. Because one of the shows largest and most narratively consistent threads was about the slow, strange, ambiguous but increasingly evident development of Cameron's character - of her consciousness.
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[personal profile] thewakokid 2017-12-20 07:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, my dude of dudes, I am so happy to be having this argument!

Well, no a machine will not panic because it's it worries it's outer shell is too fat, because by all accounts the machine probably wouldn't feel that to be a priority. It's not likely to be too connected to it's body. It is, as you say an outer shell, it's sens of self would be disconnected to it's outershell because it is capable of existing beyond that shell. If it feels it's outershell is not suitable to it's goals, it is capable of swapping or modifying the shell with some ease.

BUT as seen in this show, Cameron is capable of panic, it's just different priorities than what makes us panic. For example, the scene where john is going to shut her off. The human expressions were exaggerated and calculated, but it was very clear she was paniced and not wanting to be destroyed.

And then later, when it seems possible that she might turn, she installed a killswitch, because what worried her more than being destroyed is failing her mission. There is a clear sense of priorities and and clear, if not necessarily recognisably human, set of desires.

(Anonymous) 2017-12-20 11:15 pm (UTC)(link)
+100000 to all of this.