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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-12-24 03:38 pm

[ SECRET POST #4008 ]


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(Anonymous) 2017-12-24 09:44 pm (UTC)(link)
"Eugenics" is strong, but it does seem to support the thrust of all the previous posts in the thread in re revionist history and denialism of the legacy of Japanese imperialism and war crimes.

(Anonymous) 2017-12-25 05:21 am (UTC)(link)
The problem is, every country in eastern Asia does this to each other. China will dedicate entire days to mourning the people who died to Japan's hands, which is of course natural, but their government will not speak a single word to acknowledge the people who died in the days of their early civil warfare against themselves. Meanwhile, Japan still won't publicly apologize or write their horrible actions into their history textbooks. I know less about Korea, but I don't think it's too much to assume that they also condemn others harsher than they would themselves, although maybe WWII era Korea had less power to do harm.

History is on the side of who wins, and the war is still being fought. That's how I see it for all these countries, and they all write propoganda pretty well. Some get translated, some don't. I'm not saying any of it is right, but I can see why a person in those countries refuse to see things any other way.

(Anonymous) 2017-12-25 06:14 am (UTC)(link)
It's not a unique form of nationalism, no. But the reality is that all of those ideologies is wrong, and all of those forms of denialism are wrong, and we should recognize it.

And the same is true outside of the East Asian context as well.

(Anonymous) 2017-12-25 07:04 am (UTC)(link)
Sure, but recognizing, understanding the context from which arises from, and whatever this moralizing bullshit is in the OP are separate things, no?

It's easy to say we know better. However, I find it suspect when those outside the cultural context are quick to criticize, but do little introspection on their own end.

(Anonymous) 2017-12-25 08:06 am (UTC)(link)
I don't know if I agree with that.

Obviously, it's impossible to say for sure, since I'm not going to go look up the actual Twitter users. But I would expect the people who make these kinds of arguments to be critical of Western imperialism as well, and IME they usually are, at least on some level.

More generally: I don't think that there's anything wrong with making judgments about things like this. In fact I think it's necessary. Now, obviously, good judgment requires understanding, and there's enormous complexity when you talk about how well we can understand things from different historical and cultural contexts. But at the end of the day, I don't think any of those factors preclude judgment. Especially when we're talking about contemporary political ideologies here.

To put it another way: I don't think that there's actually a conflict between cultural contextualization and moral judgment. I think they can and do coexist.