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⌈ Secret Post #4010 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I'm also a gay woman and I'm not interested in most "LGBT themed" stuff... because I find most of it very preachy? Like I don't care about watching characters come out of the closet or deal with homophobia or where everyone needs to learn a lesson about how to be more loving and tolerant. I want gay characters and gay pairings, but I don't want their genre to be "LGBT". I want sci-fi that stars guys who fuck other guys. Historical fantasies featuring women running off with one another. Ice skating anime about two guys who kiss. I just don't want any of the dull LGBT narrative.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

This describes most of the queer SFF I end up reading.

[(Anonymous)]

I get this. I'm trans and gay and I'm not particularly into media with "LGBT themes," especially stories where the conflict or drama involves the fact that a character is trans or gay. I understand that they're important stories to tell, but they always seem to put me in a depressed mood. And besides, the abundance of it makes it seem like there aren't any other stories to tell involving LGBT people, which isn't true.

I do like representation, though. Wish there was some sci-fi or fantasy out there where the main character happens to be non-binary and no one gives them shit about it or talks about dysphoria. If it's not out there, I might have to make it myself...

[(Anonymous)]

I would be SO FOR that. I desperately need more incidentally non-binary protagonists in my fiction. Or any, for that matter.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

JY Yang, Black Tides of Heaven and Red Threads of Fortune (secondary characters.) I think it's safe to call Breq in the Ancillary series nonbinary as well.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Oh, and three short stories by Foz Meadows earlier this year:

http://thefantasistmag.com/three-short-stories/

Provenance by Anne Leckie is an easier read than the Ancillary series and has a nonbinary secondary protagonist.

I've heard interesting things about Lock In, although I've not tackled it. Everyone in Ian Banks's Culture is technically gender-fluid, but they're not written that way, which is frustrating.

[(Anonymous)]

Loki in marvel comics is nonbinary and no one makes a big deal out of it.

[(Anonymous)]

This may very well not be what you're looking for, since the protagonist is an android, but Murderbot from Martha Wells's "All Systems Red" is explicitly non-binary (and also a fantastic character in general).

[(Anonymous)]

This. I don't want LGBT media, I want media that has LGBT characters in it who are treated exactly the same as all of the other characters.

[nightscale]

I think there's room for both kinds of stories, but tbh I do gravitate towards media where there are LGBT characters but the main plot-line is battling demons, solving crimes, traveling in spaceships or something, more than ones where it's all about being LGBT(and how much it sucks).

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

There's definitely room for both kinds, and I don't begrudge LGBT media for existing at all. I read that stuff when I was a teen coming to terms with my sexuality - and I guess that's why I feel I've sort of outgrown it, or at least it isn't as meaningful for me as it was back then. It really just comes down to a preference in genre, I suppose. I'm just personally a little tired of the coming-out/homophobia/tolerance narrative because I've lived it, been in the LGBT community and heard it irl a million times, and it doesn't interest me in fiction anymore.

[nightscale]

Oh I get how you feel, sorry if I made you think I didn't, and I do understand what you mean because sometimes I just want a story where characters are LGBT and no one cares y'know? They just are and it's not a big deal.

For me at least I think why coming out stories or even stories with more LGBT stuff is something I still like is because I've only really been out to myself for maybe 5 years? So it's still new and meaningful to me if you will.

But I do absolutely get where you're coming from.