[ SECRET POST #4012 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4012 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Golden Girls]


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[The Last Jedi]


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[Against the Wall, Kyle MacLachlan & Samuel L. Jackson]


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Comments

Re: One of my favorite published authors wrote Reylo fic

[(Anonymous)]

why does a NOTP have to be logical now?

Re: One of my favorite published authors wrote Reylo fic

[rosehiptea]

It doesn't have to be logical, but I can't help wondering why so many people are opposed to anyone shipping it ever. I'm not counting the original poster here, because they're not saying that at all, but so many people are saying that, even though it is, as the anon above said, just another villain/heroine ship.

anon above

[(Anonymous)]

Also Kylo is , as I've seen so far, so lacking as a "villain' honestly that it doesn't seem deserving as 'teh worst EVAR' because he just....doesn't ping as much of a threat.

I could see this kind of reaction with a villain who was big, dangerous, brilliant AND hatable but Kylo is just kind of.. a brat throwing a tantrum and doesn't seem like much of a threat to make it such a heinous ship.

I can actually imagine Rey as the dominant in such a relationship more than Kylo being much of a threat to her to be honest. "No, bad boy!" *whipcrack*!

Re: anon above

[(Anonymous)]

There's an interesting relationship between Kylo's affect and his actions for sure, and that probably does have something to do with why people react to the ship the way they do. But I don't agree at all that he's lacking as a villain. Yes, there's definitely a brattiness about the way that he presents himself, but at the same time, he is also a powerful Dark-side force user who (by the end of TLJ) is the literal supreme overlord of an evil galactic empire who constantly does awful shit on screen. So there's definitely an interesting relationship between those two aspects, and you can read it different ways.

To me, those things don't undercut his effectiveness as a villain - if anything, the opposite. Partly, that's because I find his brattiness extremely annoying, and I don't give him the credit or respect that I would give someone who was big, and dangerous, and brilliant, and respectable - I like him less. But partly, I think there's something interestingly villainous, and in some sense actually meaningfully worse to me, about someone who is a galactic-level dark lord out of sheer bratty dickishness.

So, basically, tl;dr: he manages to be both a dumb bratty dickhead *and* a space fascist evil overlord at the same time, and that's really annoying (in a way that makes him an effective villain but not someone I want to see in romance plots).

To answer rosehiptea's broader question about why people find Reylo particularly objectionable, I think there's a couple different answers. First, Kylo is an extremely divisive character (see above) - the people who love him really love him but it seems like they're seeing a different character than the people who really hate him. Second, as villains go, I think he does some things that are maybe particularly objectionable from a moralistic point of view, and some people care about that. Third, Star Wars is massively popular and it's an extremely popular ship and so it's relatively hard to avoid having an opinion on it if you're in fandom.

AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

ahhh thats very fair. Thank you for your input! It helps my understanding a lot.

Re: anon above

[(Anonymous)]

he manages to be both a dumb bratty dickhead *and* a space fascist evil overlord at the same time, and that's really annoying (in a way that makes him an effective villain but not someone I want to see in romance plots).

This! Also, the way I see it, he feels more real as a villain because behind all his power he's a bratty dickhead. Villains who are cool and brilliant and emotionally mature (in their own evil way) tend to feel fictional; in reality, those sorts of figures rarely exist. In reality, The Bad Guy is usually a bratty dickhead who somehow managed to gain a bunch of power. So Kylo being a bratty dickhead with a lot of power makes him a good villain to me, but it also makes him more detestable than most villains.