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⌈ Secret Post #544 ⌋

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Though it's not as if the slash fandom is any better - I've seen quite a lot of meta in HP fandom laying out the reasons why character X is obviously a bottom, and couldn't top without being OOC.

The parts of yaoi fandom that does this tend to be a bit knee-jerky and silly about it; I get the feeling it's mostly the newer fans who does this. In slash (at least in HP), I even saw this sort of reasoning from fandom veterans, people generally looked upon as goodficcers.

Yeah, that boggled me, too. Not just the "yaoi = seme/uke!" but the flat-out announcement that "well slash is the more realistic of the two!" I know it's less cut and dry than this, but I've really always thought of yaoi = for Japanese series and slash = for English series, and I really doubt people get more or less stupid depending on whether their fandom is Japanese or English.

I dunno, though, I've gotten the impression that even writers in the yaoi faction that are really good writers/artists with tons of experience buy into the seme/uke thing. And that's not necessarily bad! As long as they realize it's a personal preference and something they enjoy, not the be-all, end-all canon interpretation of the characters.

I've really always thought of yaoi = for Japanese series and slash = for English series

Yes, me too. It's mostly the vocabulary that differs, heh.

I dunno, though, I've gotten the impression that even writers in the yaoi faction that are really good writers/artists with tons of experience buy into the seme/uke thing.

Hmm, quite possibly. Just not the ones I read, heh.

I don't really care if a writer has one character be uke all the time, as long as he's IC. It's when the position a character has in bed affects the characterisation that I tend to hit the back button.

I don't really care if a writer has one character be uke all the time, as long as he's IC. It's when the position a character has in bed affects the characterisation that I tend to hit the back button.

Same here, really! I think that's why I'm :| about most doujinshi anymore, it's like... they could really stick ANY character in there. And a lot of fanfiction works that way too, sadly- they're only the characters in name and otherwise they slip into being Stereotypical Seme Character and Stereotypical Uke Character for the extent of the scene. It's kinda maddening when that happens- which is why I say it can be done WELL, but twisting the characters to fit the cliche is still bad writing, IMO. =X

Hah, yes, doujinshi are insane. Now that I can read them I sort of lost that all encompassing enthusiasm (though the gag ones are sometiomes hilarious).

twisting the characters to fit the cliche is still bad writing, IMO.

No, I agree. It is bad writing. I believe a good writer can make any situation work, but the characters' reactions to the situation must be IC.

I suppose I've developed a sort of warning system that helps me avoid these things (those years in the HP fandom was really helpful for that, I can tell you). For instance, if a writer makes a point of how much taller one character is than the other, I know he's going to have at least half his characterisation sacrificed to make him fit the super!seme personality. And each fandom has its own warning signs (though some are universal). I will never read a Naruto fanfic containing the word "sun-kissed" for example.

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