[ SECRET POST #4019 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4019 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Love Actually]


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[Brooklyn 99]


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Comments

Re: here be spoiler territory

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT - The problem with Poe's storyline is that they were obviously trying to subvert the "big damn hero's crazy plan that miraculously saves the day" trope, but they handled it really clumsily. All Poe's suicide runs and convoluted plans led to was a whole bunch of largely unnecessary deaths, and not only does he never acknowledge the fuck up, everyone else is surprisingly cool with it. Sure, Leia scolds him like he's a teenager who broke curfew, but the only person who actually holds him accountable is Hondo and everyone's supposed to think she's being an unreasonable bitch for it. Now, it's the second part of a trilogy, so Poe not acknowledging how badly he screwed everything up yet is not a dealbreaker for me. He's in the middle of his story arc, after all. What kills the storyline for me is that the narrative doesn't really acknowledge it either. Poe doesn't need to be gently chided for being reckless. He needs to be grounded until he understands that his arrogance and incompetence killed a fuckton of his own people so maybe don't do that anymore.

Re: here be spoiler territory

[(Anonymous)]

All Poe's suicide runs and convoluted plans led to was a whole bunch of largely unnecessary deaths, and not only does he never acknowledge the fuck up, everyone else is surprisingly cool with it.

Because none of the decisions he was making had anything to do with those deaths, except in an exceedingly random and completely unforeseeable and unpredictable sense that he had no conceivable way of knowing about at the time he was making the decision. That's not a screw-up. That's bad luck.

It's not even like he took a bad risk. He had no conceivable way of knowing that the risk even existed - he didn't know that Finn and Rose would recruit someone that couldn't be trusted, and he didn't know that Finn and Rose would be able to reveal important secrets, and he didn't even know that there were important secrets to reveal if they were captured.

The only thing that he should be punished for, from a narrative point of view, is mutiny and distrust of his superior officers. And that's what he actually is punished for, narratively speaking.

everyone's supposed to think she's being an unreasonable bitch for it

I don't think you're supposed to think Holdo is a bitch. That's definitely not how I read the movie. What I got from it was that Holdo and Poe were both sympathetic characters being unreasonable and somewhat emotional in a deeply difficult situation. In ways that were, honestly, very parallel (and further deepened by their similar relationships with Leia).

What kills the storyline for me is that the narrative doesn't really acknowledge it either. Poe doesn't need to be gently chided for being reckless. He needs to be grounded until he understands that his arrogance and incompetence killed a fuckton of his own people so maybe don't do that anymore.

He was punished for what he actually did wrong. I can accept that there's narrative dissonance stemming from how high the death toll gets, but I think that's divorced from the actual choices he made and the things that he did.

Re: here be spoiler territory

[ketita]

100% my feelings.
The thing is, the movie ended with a sort of symbolic return to glory for him, when Leia says "I don't know, follow him". So he's kind of restored, but they never actually acknowledged the losses, like you said.