[ SECRET POST #4023 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4023 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

It's not just that he didn't know that his choices would get all those people killed. It's that he could not possibly have known that his choices would get all those people killed. When he was making those choices, those risks weren't even there to be considered. I don't think you can give someone moral responsibility in a situation like that.

[philstar22]

Personally I think you can in a military situation where your job is to obey orders and he just decided he knew better. Sure, she could have told him more. But she doesn't have to. And we have already been shown earlier in the movie that he has a history of disobeying orders and doing what he wants. This time, it caused massive consequences. It could have at any time. He doesn't know why his leaders are making the choices they are. He doesn't have to.

[(Anonymous)]

Really? 'Cause I read her as being a mole for the First Order when I was watching the first time. There's 'obeying orders' (also, remember this is not actually a professional army) and there's 'obeying someone who by all appearances is a traitor leading you and everything you love to a pointless and inevitable death'. Add in the fact that Holdo had absolutely no reason beyond 'nyah nyah nyah I don't want to' to withhold the escape plans from her people... I would have been right behind him on that ship. He had no reason to trust her, and every reason to assume the worst.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not just that he didn't know that his choices would get all those people killed. It's that he could not possibly have known that his choices would get all those people killed.

Also, his choices didn't get those people killed. His choices led to a chain of situations at the end of which another person made choices that led to still other people making choices that killed all those people.

Which is to say, I agree with you, anon. I do think Poe needs to learn from his mistake, and I do think he should seriously examine the part he played in what occurred. He's a good person, imo, and a good person would absolutely feel tormented by having unwittingly helped to catalyses a disaster. However, the degree to which I think other characters ought to hold him responsible for what happened is negligible.

[(Anonymous)]

He knew he got demoted last time he disobeyed orders and got a bunch of people killed. His response to that was to disobey orders again. The result of that was that even more people died. How many people does Poe need to get killed by blatantly disregarding orders before you'll admit that it's maybe kinda his fault that he can't figure out that he should stop disobeying orders and getting people killed?

Frankly, the logical next step at this point would be a court-martial.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree that he shouldn't disobey orders.

I don't agree that those deaths were his responsibility.

[(Anonymous)]

So, you're saying that if Poe hadn't set up the circumstances that directly led to their deaths by disobeying orders, they'd have all died anyway? How?

[(Anonymous)]

directly

It wasn't directly. It was a million miles away from being directly. At least with the transports.

[(Anonymous)]

You didn't answer the question. Poe's no longer in the equation making his stupid decisions. Everyone still dies, because you say he's not responsible for their deaths. So, how did they die?

[(Anonymous)]

You can play a part in the causal chain of events that led to an event without being responsible for that event. Certainly in a moral sense.