[ SECRET POST #4040 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4040 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Hmmm. To me, the puppetry looks great, but to modern eyes it looks very dated as a special effect because it's puppetry.

[(Anonymous)]

The puppets might be good for puppets, but they are very creepy looking and have a very uncanny fake appearance. It could be that society is less willing to suspend disbelief for something that is clearly a clunky puppet than they were back then though.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean...the puppets were never really meant to fool the audience into thinking they were actual people. That wasn't the point. Henson's work with puppetry is and was its own thing - very well done, but it looks odd to modern audiences who aren't as used to this kind of puppetry special effects

[anarchicq]

Yeah, Henson's main goal was for it to look "Not puppet-y", which isn't necessarily the same as "real people". He wasn't even a ventriloquist or tried to be, people just naturally started to focus on Kermit when sitting side by side.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm old enough to have been around in the puppet days, and I still thought they looked uncanny and stupid, to be honest. It's not a "millennials just don't understand" deal.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

I think Black Crystal and Labyrinth hit the limits of what Jim and Brian could do without going all in on RC rigs with a half-dozen operators. (I'm more kindly disposed to Labyrinth from a performance art perspective.)

[raspberryrain]

Brian? Oh, Brian Froud?

[liz_marcs]

Brian Henson, Jim's son. But as far as I know, he wasn't actually involved the Dark Crystal. I'm pretty sure it was Jim Henson and Frank Oz that were responsible for this one.

Edit: Whoops! You're right. Brian Froud. Duh. Ignore me.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

My mistake, I could have sworn that Brian Henson performed in Dark Crystal, but he was still in high school. (Although he did work a scene in Great Muppet Caper.) Brian was deeply involved in most Henson and Creature Shop projects staring in '84 though.

[(Anonymous)]

I found the puppetry generally brilliant and novel and wonderfully *weird* - except is a damning strike against the storytelling that the *main characters* cannot facially emote.

[(Anonymous)]

I disagree. The puppets don't have the same range of emotion as a human face, but Kermit and Piggy can absolutely facially emote. The other characters are more hit or miss, but it can be done with thoughtful character design and a talented puppeteer.

If you meant they can't emote with their eyes, that's a different story.

[(Anonymous)]

I think they're talking about the main characters in The Dark Crystal, not the Muppets in general.