[ SECRET POST #4041 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4041 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia; linked for illustrated? nudity / OP warned for NSFW]


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11. [SPOILER for Stranger Things, season 2]



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12. [WARNING for discussion of sexual assault]



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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I think Hopper should've realized as time wore on that he was asking way too much of Eleven by expecting her to just accept her isolation month after month. But I don't think he did a Bad Thing by pushing her to stay hidden in the cabin. The possibility of her being found and taken again was very real, and Hopper was out of his depth and had no idea who he could trust. He was doing the best he could. I don't necessarily agree with all of his decision-making, there, but I understand why he made the choices he made. And I think it's also worth pointing out that it's not as though Hopper ever forced Eleven to do or not do anything. He pushed her, certainly. He talked to her as an authority figure and tried to tell her what to do, but she was always free to disregard him if she chose to.

What I do hold against Hopper, though, is some of his behavior during their fight. For one thing, when a kid is living in isolation the way Eleven was, it's pretty fucked up to think that taking away her TV is a reasonable form of punishment. That's how you punish a normal kid in a normal situation. But Eleven doesn't have a whole lot else she can occupy herself with, so taking away her TV is one step shy of putting her in solitary confinement.

And then he threatens to send her back to the lab. He literally says, "You wanna go back in the lab? One phone call, I can make that happen." Dude. DUDE. You just threatened to send a kid back to the unconstitutional, dehumanizing prison that you KNOW she's terrified of. You used that as a way of trying to make her behave how you want her to. That's so, so fucked up.

I can still forgive him for it, as long as he learns to be better, and never uses threats as a way of controlling El again. But the fact that he did that shit in the first place is definitely something he deserves to be called on, IMO.

So basically, I agree that Hopper really fucked up in S2 and deserves to be called on it, but I disagree that it was pushing El to stay in the cabin that was the fucked up part.

[(Anonymous)]

I absolutely understood Hopper's worrying and wariness and the strategy he was using, but that fight was so messed up, and I absolutely agree that he needs to do better in the future. For someone who took care of and got to know this abused/traumatized child over the course of a year, his decisions during that fight were bewildering to me, not to mention upsetting.

[tabaqui]

OH, yes, that fight. Holy gods.

I don't see how he *wasn't* pretty much forcing her to stay there, though. I don't think his talk about her going back to the lab, the danger to her friends, etc., was something that happened once.

I think, like i said before, his own grief and emotional panic and paranoia probably led him to basically terrify her on a regular basis and emotionally blackmail her into staying.

Whether he did it consciously or not is up for debate, but i don't doubt it happened.