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⌈ Secret Post #549 ⌋

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116. You know that TV Tropes is a wiki, right? If so, you've got a solid enough argument to edit that out. Just take it out and put a note in the discussion page explaining why you did it.

123. I don't think you can judge an entire group by how they dress. Are some of them like that? Sure! But I've met a lot of really , really wonderful people that wear lolita. (For the record, I don't--I'm currently wearing a baggy t-shirt and ripped jeans. XD;)

129. Eh, well, most animators (and writers and whatever) these days are still male, so it's understanable. And truthfully, I don't think it matters what gender a character is as long as it's an interesting story. It's not like Pixar doesn't have strong females in their works. If anything, some of the time the male characters are less capable than the female ones. (See: Ratatouille. Also WALL-E from what I've heard, although I still need to see that one.)

147. LOL, one of these days I'm going to make a bunch of secrets for my more obscure fandom just to generate excitement about them. (...Oh, wait, I've already done that once or twice.)

148. My Dad is a huge fan of both Jimmy Stewart and Frank Capra, so I grew up watching this movie EVERY. CHRISTMAS. I think I would have a hard time dating someone that couldn't appreciate it, too--I credit this film for my love of angst.

153. ..LOL. AWESOME! THIS IS MY CANON NOW!

154. LOL, I would too. I like Fakir and Autor, but Mytho--or, well, Prince Siegfried--is probably the closest thing to my "ideal guy" I've seen in that show. (But the best part of this is the cod)

Eh, well, most animators (and writers and whatever) these days are still male, so it's understandable.

Herein lies the problem itself. Why SHOULD it be understandable that males shaft female leads or characters? Why does modern society still push and reflect values like 'females are not made to be heroes or main characters?'

I don't think institutionalized sexism should be cast off as just 'understandable' when it's a problem that needs a'fixin', and I believe that's what 129's OP was suggesting.

But how are the female characters getting shafted? In Bug's Life, okay, maybe, but other female Pixar characters are a strong, driven woman that clawed into an incredibly tough business that women traditionally aren't a part of (Ratatouille), a goofy character that none-the-less manages to get the main character through HALF of the things he goes through the movie (Finding Nemo--I don't think Marlin would've made it without Dory). What if the genders were switched?

Ratatouille: A clumsy, nervous, self-concious female dishwasher pretends to be able to cook when she needs the help of a rat to really do it. She falls for the hard-working, jerk-with-a-heart-of-gold chef who has nobody's help to get to where he was, and in fact had to beat the odds to become a chef. When she inherits her father's business, she's hopelessly out of her element and leans on her boyfriend and rat friend to help her keep afloat.

It would've been worse if Linguini was a girl, don't you think? Remy being a girl would've been fine, but then...she would've been a chef, right? A woman who wants to cook food! Groundbreaking! Of course, there's the fact that women as chefs in that sort of fancy restaurant is rare, so in that sense it WOULD be groundbreaking--but he's already a rat, already has a difficult time breaking into the career he wants. Colette being a separate character to show how women also have a difficult time breaking into that business worked better.

How is Colette (or the female cast members of The Incredibles, or Dory, even) not a strong character? How are these bad roles for female characters to have? Are we REALLY going to whine about the fact that the female characters don't get a bunch of spotlights shining down on them all the time? That's not equality. That's filling a quota to make people happy. I'd rather see female characters fall naturally into roles rather then pull out a stopwatch and compare how much screen time they have, personally.

I just have to say that you put it far better than I ever could have. Very well said.

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