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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2008-07-07 05:00 pm

[ SECRET POST #549 ]


⌈ Secret Post #549 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Re: 129

[identity profile] doctor-dorothy.livejournal.com 2008-07-08 01:25 am (UTC)(link)
You fail at literary analysis -- I should know; I teach it. A) Characters are not just an extension of the writer's personality. They certainly can be, but characters are also derived from the world we live in, and the stories we tell. If I were to write an epic, for example, chances are I would base my characters, in part, on recognizable tropes found in that genre. The extent to which I played with or altered the genre, certainly, might speak to my talent as a writer, but one can be a talented writer and work very much within generic convention. No story is created in a vacuum, and no author's personality, identity, or sense of self is created in a vaccuum either.

B) Saying that "gender roles don't play a role in the narrative unless gender roles itself is a theme in the narrative" is, well, stupid. All sorts of things come to play in a text that might not be identified as a "theme" of the text by those looking for simple things like, oh, man against man, man against nature, man against himself (recognize those "themes"? I think they are what you think literature is primarily derived of).

Eve Kosofsky Sedgwick -- sexuality and orientation can be an organizing principle in a text even when it's not the stated "theme" of the text, or a stated subject within it.

Toni Morrison -- race can be an organizing principle in a text even when it's not the stated "theme" of the text, or a stated subject within it.

A whole lot of feminist literary theorist -- sex and gender can be ...

Forget it.
tl;dr -- you don't know what you are talking about.

Re: 129

(Anonymous) 2008-07-08 03:07 am (UTC)(link)
Writing is autobiographic by default. You’re putting your own ideas in paper, you’re writing your own beliefs. Film is specially tricky. Gender within narrative is a vastly overrated and broad and fuzzy concept.

What exactly is a gender? Is it the more or less arbitrary thread that binds the key events/emotionally intense moments of the movie together? In that case you might as well substitute it with something else (within reason).

Binding the elements of a fictional work together (characters, situations, environments) with a gender is just a mnemonic technique. Not something of vital importance. It's just an aid to focus the brain on the real important stuff in the work, and for it to be able to recall it later.

Re: 129

[identity profile] triestine.livejournal.com 2008-07-08 02:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Writing is autobiographic by default. You’re putting your own ideas in paper, you’re writing your own beliefs.

Er, literature =/= manifestos. It is actually possible to write about situations and characters that have nothing in common with the author. I'm sorry if your imagination or writing skills don't work, but it's hardly true of others.