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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2008-07-07 05:00 pm

[ SECRET POST #549 ]


⌈ Secret Post #549 ⌋

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[identity profile] relmneiko.livejournal.com 2008-07-08 02:32 am (UTC)(link)
While I won't disagree that mindset is very important and mental health and physical health are connected (I know, I've had intestinal problems for a while now that are very much stress-related), I don't think you can write off the fact that being grossly overweight just isn't good for your body.

Instead of being fat and loving it or being fat and hating it, why not eat the pie and then go out and bike 10k, seriously. :/ Exercise will always make you feel good in the short and long run. Mistreating your body will fuck you up eventually....

[identity profile] alexandraerin.livejournal.com 2008-07-09 03:16 am (UTC)(link)
I can write it off because it isn't a fact (http://kateharding.net/but-dont-you-realize-fat-is-unhealthy/).

You, like so many other people, are conflating weight with health and exercise. Surprise, surprise, there are fat people in the world. Not people who are lazy and don't exercise, though some of us don't, but people who are fat in the same way that some people are tall and some people are dark skinned. It's just a variety of body.

Exercise? I get plenty of exercise every day because I walk everywhere. I've never owned a car and I never have. I used to walk five miles to work, to the bewilderment of a skinny coworker who was amazed because she barely had the energy to get off the couch. I can point you to a blog of a triathlete (biking, swimming, and running) who's fatter than I am... and probably fitter than you are, by any metric that's not "LOL FAT."

Adjusting diet or exercise to make a wholesale change in your body size doesn't work for most people over the long term. It's not just "calories in vs. calories used." Your body knows what size it's supposed to be, and while you can control what you eat and how you exercise, it controls all the other dials and if you're using more calories than you need to maintain what it (not society) thinks is your ideal weight, it goes into starvation mode. Hence why 95% of people who try to lose weight gain it back after seeing that they have to exercise/diet more and more just to maintain, and most of them gain back even more.

And no, I'm not saying I have "a glandular disorder." It's not a disorder. It's simply part of natural human biodiversity. And a helpful trait to be in the gene pool. Who dies first in famine? The people whose bodies are optimized for burning energy rather than keeping it... i.e, the skinny people.

Fat helps protect your body from infection and shock. Fat people are more likely to survive a cardiac event. Fat people can hang on longer in a condition where the body is forced to rely on its natural stores. If a person's body is most comfortable in the "fat" range, how can you say they're not taking care of it?

If you give your body the food that it needs and the exercise it needs, it will stay within the range that you're predisposed towards. Some people might be able to skooch the number up by seriously mistreating themselves. Some people might be able to skooch the number down... also by seriously mistreating themselves. But because we've arbitrarily decided that thin == healthy, we ignore all the damage the latter group is doing and blame the problems they have late in life on the fact that they're overweight, not the fact that they're yo-yoing between states.

And before you say "diabetes" or "blood pressure" or "cholesterol"... what's going on inside your blood's a separate matter entirely from the composition of your body mass outside of them. Those things correlate to diet and exercise problems, which people automatically assume you can gauge by looking at body weight.

Not true. Not true at all.
Edited 2008-07-09 03:17 (UTC)

[identity profile] relmneiko.livejournal.com 2008-07-13 03:58 am (UTC)(link)
The OP never said specifically how overweight they were... when people claim to be fat, I assume that they mean 'unhealthy', not 'chubby'. :/

[identity profile] beandelphiki.livejournal.com 2008-07-09 05:55 am (UTC)(link)
At its very extreme (i.e. a BMI of 35 MINIMUM), yes, being overweight can, alone, negatively affect your health.

But guess what? It's many times more statistically dangerous to have a BMI below 20. You know how you've always been told that a healthy BMI range starts at 18.5? Yeah, it's bullshit - and if you pay attention, you'll notice an increasing number of medical sources quietly changing that number to 20 as this information filters into the public consciousness.

(And no, I'm not fat. I say this as someone with a BMI of 17. Statistically, I'm death walking.)

Even Scientific American Reports has printed an article supporting this (and the long, LONG history the weight loss industry has of publishing misinformation and burying the facts). You could probably find that back copy at your library. This isn't "fringe" science. It's out there, mainstream, available for anyone who cares to take a look. People just aren't because they are too invested in the lies they've been told.

Stop believing the DAMN LIES you're being fed. They exist to make other people's WALLETS fat while the public SUFFERS. You don't have to go along with it.

[identity profile] relmneiko.livejournal.com 2008-07-13 03:55 am (UTC)(link)
Chill, chill, I never mentioned any specific weights or BMIs. I don't even know what a healthy BMI is. I don't know what my BMI is; I've never had it measured. I don't own a scale. I'm in your category here - the last time I went to a doctor I was told I was underweight, and I tend to worry more about that (again, intestinal problems) than being too fat.

What I'm concerned wit is being fit, which is more important to me than anything else. I measure health by how many times you can run around the block, not what your waistline is. I know some girls (also guys, but being chubby fit seems to happen more with girls?) that look really chubby because they're into sports (somehow a lot of sporty girls end up that way, I don't know the mechanics) and half of it is muscle. But by the same token, I know plenty of girls who don't exercise and are overweight for that reason.

The issue isn't fat, it's fat being the symptom of lack of exercise. My concern with the OP is that she saw denying herself food as a way to lose weight... not exercise, which is the way it should be done. My issue with the person who responded to the OP was that they seemed to see it as okay to be overweight (and I don't think the OP ever mentioned exactly what their weight was) and to not try to be healthy.

And yeah, it goes for both sides of the fence, too. Being underweight is just as bad.

ETA: Also, I don't see what this has to do with money. Getting exercise and eating right doesn't cost anything...
Edited 2008-07-13 03:55 (UTC)