[ SECRET POST #4044 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4044 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT but

read the original point which was and I quote "Just because a show has queer characters doesn't mean it won't have queerbaiting."

That's not really a fair representation of this conversation. You've spent a hell of lot of time talking about how CW as a network is systematically committed to queer baiting. I mean, you literally said that "CW is basically known as the queer baiting network". That's a quote. Please don't act surprised that people are talking about whether or not CW, the network, is guilty of queerbaiting, when that's the way that you've framed this whole conversation.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

They said that in a post long after A AYRT RT turned it into a #notallCWshows argument. They spent a lot of time talking about the CW because A AYRT RT has spent a lot of time talking about The CW. AYRT's original comment ("See every popular CW show ever") was clearly flippant, but A AYRT RT didn't know how else to argue against the core argument (that creators can still be dicks to fans of queer ships after introducing tokenistic queer characters) and so decided to interpret AYRT's comment in the most literal way possible in an attempt to make them look like an unreasonable fanbrat. A AYRT RT can't even define queerbaiting when asked what definition of queerbaiting they think they're working with, even though one of their arguments was that AYRT's specific example of queerbaiting in a CW show was invalid.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm the A AYRT RT you are referring to
I completely agree that "creators can still be dicks to fans of queer ships after introducing tokenistic queer characters". I acknowledged that a few times in what I said. But I didn't take the CW comment as flippantly as you did. And watching the person I was replying double down on that comment instead of saying it was supposed to be flippant made me think that I was correct in my assumption that they were serious about their statement.

And I did give my definition of queerbaiting, even though I wasn't asked for it. It was a couple of posts up. I don't feel that a comment by an actress is queerbaiting. Unfortunate, yes, queerbaiting, no. (My exact quote was "Queerbaiting is baiting the audience with things that TPTB know will be taken as fodder for fans/shippers but denying that there is anything to it. Whether it is writing specific actions or dialogues in a scene or making comments hyping it up in social media and then turning around and going "of course so-and-so is straight and always has been". Harshing someone's opinion for slashing and saying "no homo" is shitty and is often from a place of homophobia (and I don't condone it in the slightest), but it isn't queerbaiting.")

I feel like the person I was replying to was being an unreasonable fanbrat. They tarred every show with the same brush. If they had just said "Oh, I was being hyperbolic" after the first reply I would have been fine with it. Instead they doubled down on how all popular CW shows were queerbaiting and called the entire network "queer baiting network".

As an 11-year-old who wanted to be with Wonder Woman as much as she wanted to be Wonder Woman and who was really confused by this given her upbringing and the media available to her, having a Supergirl in my life would have been huge. Not only could I have wanted to be Supergirl but I could have wanted to be Alex, who got to fight the monsters and aliens but who also got to have a girlfriend. These things I was feeling would have been validated. And I was bothered that it and other shows that I also hadn't seen have these issues were lumped in with shows like SPN.

Media has a long way to go still dealing with queer issues and people. I acknowledge that. But saying that all shows are the same instead of pointing out the problematic ones or even just the problematic issues themselves isn't at all helpful in my opinion. And, yes, in my opinion, makes one look like an unreasonable fanbrat that is easy to dismiss. I don't want queer issues to be easy to dismiss as fanbrats being unreasonable. Hence my argument.

[(Anonymous)]

So this entire argument was because you were feeling defensive over Supergirl.