[ SECRET POST #4049 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4049 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Help me get a sense of perspective on this

[(Anonymous)]

but pretty close to that level of "HOW?!", right?

I don't think so at all. There's a big difference between Dracula as a pop culture figure, and the Wolfman. Dracula exists in so many different forms - best-selling, genre-defining book, and then approximately a million different adaptations - and its narrative and general notes are really powerful and formative and well done. In contrast, the Wolfman is something that's really pretty specific to the 1930s/1940s monster movie ethos. Which is something that's obviously influential but at the same time, much more niche, and much more limited by the time period in which it was produced. It's just not a particular interesting iteration on the genre tropes in the way that Dracula still is.

Also, just personally, I would have recognized a Lon Chaney reference but I definitely wouldn't know the actual character's name. So there's also that.

Re: Help me get a sense of perspective on this

[thewakokid]

Maybe, but you would have recognised me talking about "The Wolfman", right? Talbot, I get, but it's the freaking WOLFMAN. Like, he's up there with all the people Scooby Doo has unmasked, for example. It's Frankenstein. Dracula, the Mummy, and the Wolfman.

How do you not know of the existence of the Wolfman?

Re: Help me get a sense of perspective on this

[(Anonymous)]

Ehhh. I would recognize it, but I can see how someone wouldn't.

I mean, you're kind of making my point with the Scooby Doo reference, in a way. Those specific monster movies are really only notable anymore for the influence that they've had on subsequent culture through things like parodies and references and tropes and remakes. And, really, at this point, it's mostly influencing things at a significant remove. I mean, the original Scooby Doo series itself ended 40 years ago - people today know Scooby Doo itself from remakes and parodies, and the Universal monster movies are another degree removed beyond that. Of course, the Wolfman is hardest hit by this, because people are familiar with the other franchises through other means - Frankenstein and Dracula through the books, The Mummy because there was an actual successful remake - whereas people are mostly familiar with werewolf stories through more recent werewolf movies, which were influenced by The Wolfman but were not actually part of that franchise.

This is also probably why that whole Universal Dark Universe thing completely bombed, by the way.

Re: Help me get a sense of perspective on this

[thewakokid]

Those specific monster movies are really only notable anymore for the influence that they've had

Agreed, and while the Wolfman hasn't had the same impace as dracula, he'd had more impact than the mummy at least before the Brendan Fraiser films. And even before the Brendan Fraiser films, it would have been weird if somone said "What the fuck is the mummy?" You'd point to scooby Doo and go "Seriously?"

Re: Help me get a sense of perspective on this

[(Anonymous)]

People would know about mummies through diffuse pop-cultural sources, but that's not the same as knowing about the original Universal movie

Re: Help me get a sense of perspective on this

[thewakokid]

Oh, I see, no, I'm not talking about knowing about the movie the wolfman. I'm talking about knowing about the CHARACTER of the Wolfman.

Re: Help me get a sense of perspective on this

[(Anonymous)]

But how would you know about the character of The Wolfman without knowing about the movie?

You can't know about the character just by knowing about werewolves, because werewolves are a general kind of horror monster that aren't specifically connected to The Wolfman (and also are called by a different name). So I don't see how you'd make the connection without knowing about the actual specific movie.

I mean, really

[(Anonymous)]

how many black and white movies from the 1930s and 40s do you think most people are generally familiar with? I would be surprised if it was more than a handful

Re: I mean, really

[thewakokid]

Well, ok, so you only new about the mummy because of the Brendan Fraiser films? Or had you at least heard of the mummy prior to that?

Re: I mean, really

[(Anonymous)]

I knew about The Mummy before that, but I'm also an exceptionally huge nerd

Re: I mean, really

[thewakokid]

I don't think you need to be a nerd, tho. I think you just need to have seen more than 5 episodes of Sccoby Doo as a child. Chances are you'd have encountered most of the Hammer Horror crew.

Re: I mean, really

[(Anonymous)]

I agree that people are familiar with werewolves, but I don't think that automatically makes them familiar with The Wolfman.

And, I mean, not to reiterate the point too much, but the Hammer Horror version of the werewolf is Curse Of The Werewolf - which is a werewolf, and not a wolfman. Similarly, as far as I can tell, the only episode of Scooby Doo that has The Wolfman in it (as opposed to a werewolf) is episode 7 of season 1 of The New Scooby-Doo Movies, "Sandy Duncan's Jekyll and Hide", where classic movie monsters interrupt filming of a new movie, guest starring Sandy Duncan, original air date October 21 1972, never released on DVD. Which I kind of doubt that many kids today have actually watched.

This is kind of my point: people are familiar with all kinds of diffuse ideas about werewolves. They're not familiar with the specific monster movie called The Wolfman (or its remake).