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[(Anonymous)]

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But what about people who aren't sure whether or not something in their fic merits an archive warning, or people who simply don't like dealing with warnings and choose to sidestep the hassle by using Choose Not To Warn on all of their fics? Those are both valid usages of the tag, and just because it may inconvenience some readers doesn't mean authors need to change the way they're using the warning system. People who use CNTW for "no good reason" (i.e. on fluffy inoffensive fics) are using it in a way that conforms to AO3's rules, regardless of what you or OP think. CNTW has always meant that there may be triggering content, not that there definitely is. It's not just a way for people to coyly use trigger warnings without using trigger warnings.

[(Anonymous)]

There's no such thing as a perfect system, right? Nothing that anyone suggests is going to meet every use case perfectly. I think that people who aren't sure whether or not something in their fic merits an archive warning should just do the best they can. I don't think the hassle of archive warnings is really as much as people make it out to be. I think the advantage of clarity and usability outweighs considerations like that. I also understand that no one's breaking any rules and I don't expect that anyone will actually change their mind. That's just how the world is.

[(Anonymous)]

Surely saying "this might have triggers" is doing better than saying "this doesn't have triggers" if the fic turns out to actually contain triggers.

But it's not just people who are uncertain. Some people just don't like using warnings, and this system allows them to not use warnings while not leaving people who need warnings out in the cold.

[(Anonymous)]

Surely saying "this might have triggers" is doing better than saying "this doesn't have triggers" if the fic turns out to actually contain triggers.

But I think this is one of the fundamental problems with the system the way that it is now. IMO "No Archive Warnings Apply" shouldn't be taken to mean that there are no triggers in the fic. Rather, "No Archive Warnings Apply" should be taken to mean that no archive warnings apply. "Archive Warnings" is a different, and much more specific, category than just talking about all triggers in general. And that's a large part of the reason why I think it would be more useful if used in that way. I think that's a useful distinction that would simplify things enormously for everyone.

Some people just don't like using warnings, and this system allows them to not use warnings while not leaving people who need warnings out in the cold.

Sure, and that's why I acknowledge it's probably never going to actually work the way that I'd like it to, even though I think it would ultimately make much more sense and be generally better.

[(Anonymous)]

When I said triggers, I meant archive warnings. Saying "this might contain archive warnings" is better than saying "no archive warnings apply" if it turns out that you were mistaken and archive warnings do actually apply.

[(Anonymous)]

So the concern is specifically with stories that are edge cases for the archive warnings?

I don't have a problem with people erring on the side of caution in cases like that. I also think that's a long way away from the idea that you need to tag with "Choose Not To Warn" for every fic because you can never predict what's going to trigger something. Archive warning edge cases aren't really the thing that I have a problem with.