[ SECRET POST #4060 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4060 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Altered Carbon]


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[Celeste]


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[Travelers, Philip and Trevor]


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[Cassandra Clare (formerly Cassie Claire)]


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[French pair skaters Vanessa James and Morgan Ciprés]


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[Final Fantasy X -Will-]











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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Well, I mean, presumably the same amount of free will as the other humans living in the world who didn't become summoners, so...

[(Anonymous)]

+1

This thread is a wild ride lol

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I would argue that their lots in life sucked as well with Sin around, constantly dying or watching their loved ones die. Isn't that what the game showed us, that the world of Sin and Yevon was extremely crapsack and people led deterministic lives because they were all under this enormous shadow of death and religion? Isn't that why Yuna broke down in Macalania Spring, after entertaining the idea that, "Hey, wouldn't it be nice if I didn't have to continue with this pilgrimage?" and finally deciding that, "I just can't"?

I don't mean to detract from Yuna's choice and sacrifice, even if I utterly disagree that it was anything as simple as, "LOL she chose it for herself gaiz," as if the world she lived in and her personal background played no major part in it. But the original argument is about whether the Summoner is who Yuna "feels she really is" even in a world without Sin. I just don't see that.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

But the original argument is about whether the Summoner is who Yuna "feels she really is" even in a world without Sin. I just don't see that.

Oh, I 100% agree with you there. (I'm the anon from over here: https://fandomsecrets.dreamwidth.org/1762614.html?thread=986674230#cmt986674230)

What I meant was that I think that if someone's going to say that people in Spira in general are dealing with outside circumstances that limit their free will, then it's meaningless to then also argue that Yuna "had no choice" but to become a summoner unless you also think that all the other summoners in the world had being a summoner forced upon them and that Yuna never really had the option of not being a summoner even though Lulu and Wakka say she did (because they tried to get her to take it).

I think it's very important to the story and Yuna's character that she chose to become a summoner and that she continued with that path as long as she believed in it. Her choice was influenced by outside factors, like her religion and her father's success, but nobody's choices are totally independent of the world around them. So long as it was possible for her to choose not to be a summoner - and everything in the game indicates that it was, Wakka and Lulu tried to get her to give up, people thought she would end her pilgrimage if she got married - then the fact that she felt she wanted to stop but couldn't do it is about her and who she thinks she is and wants to be, not about outside pressures. She isn't required to save the world and become the High Summoner, but she still feels she needs to.

Basically, I feel like (until she found out what Yevon and Sin really were) Yuna was never going to be anything but a summoner no matter how many opportunities she was given to be something else, but another person in her exact situation might have chosen not to become a summoner and it wouldn't have been forced upon them.

But it's also important that she first rejects the Yevon church when it abandons her, and later rejects the role of summoner altogether when she finds out the truth of the Final Summoning.

Yuna was a summoner, by choice and with full commitment to Yevon and her own sacrifice. By the end of the game, she isn't that person any more. Bringing her back to being a summoner after that is just as dismissive of her character and motivations as saying she was forced to be one in the beginning.