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⌈ Secret Post #553 ⌋

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You are assuming:

a) the Doctor Who canon pays more than lip service to continuity and don't retcon the hell of the "ground rules" all the time. Weren't the Daleks already dead, like at least twice over?

b) It really would be destructive to the universe and that wasn't the Doctor's white-lieing way of fobbing her off to a universe where he presumed she'd be happy while pandering to his own apparent terror of commitment.

c) Mickey has specially resistant magic because apparently it's hunky dory that he stay on the who universe -- and why is it that no one is bothered by this?

and most of all

d) The canon uses anything remotely resembling logic when crafting their story lines.

You can blame Rose all you like for this, but the fault is the writers. She was just following the script.

a) and d) - this is entirely true. However, it's meta and not relevant to a discussion of a character within the context of the universe. Metatextual discussion really needs to be separate to avoid confusing these issues.

b) This was said during the Cyberman two-parter, so the Doctor's intimacy issues were not really at play.

c) Presumably, it would have worked fine for Rose to have stayed with the Doctor at the end of, "Journey's End," having gotten over before the boundaries sealed again. But Jackie was clearly unwilling to leave her, and both of them would have left Pete and Rose's brother. Mickey, on the other hand, had no family left in either 'verse.

You can blame Rose all you like for this, but the fault is the writers. She was just following the script.

Or: you can give Rose all the "kick-ass" credit you want, but she was just following the script.

Again, the point about meta. Obviously, Rose is not real, yes. But within the context of a fictional universe, I think Rose as a character has been incredibly selfish.

I mean, you're welcome to your own opinion of her, of course. I sort of feel like no matter what, you'll continue to defend her, and I'm bothered this might be actually upsetting to you, or something. I'm sorry if it is; I don't really hate Rose to the point of continuing any discussion if that's the case.

It doesn't offend me or bother me, I'm not a big fan of Rose -- on the other hand I don't hate her with a passion either. She is one of 40 something companions -- no more, no less. I enjoyed her during her run, and I'm glad she's gone and there will be someone new. But just as I'm not particularly a fan of the "Rose is so special she's the bestest companion ever and no one will ever approach her companiony goodness" attidude, I also am not a fan of character hate. I honestly think not a moment of thought went into the conundrum of Rose coming back over for the Doctor -- and there continues not to be a moment of it. I think she was fobbed off as an expedience to facilitate a new companion with the first thing that came in the writers heads that sounded remotely believeable. And she came back with similar aplomb. To condemn her for things that it's implied she did off camera that were really simply the writers taking shortcuts seems -- well -- mean spirited.

I get you don't like the character -- but you got to balance this one thing out against two seasons worth of her on screen behavior.

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