[ SECRET POST #4066 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4066 ⌋

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Comments

[cbrachyrhynchos]

You are, presumably, intentionally misunderstanding the argument and dismissing it as "stereotypes" so you don't actually have to engage.

Because that is the straw man on the table:

1. Cis women behave according to this stereotype.
2. I don't behave according to this stereotype.
3. Therefore, I'm nonbinary.

But few trans people actually argue this, binary or nonbinary.

This is such a ridiculous statement, I'd love to see the peer-reviewed academic study.

So, trans people are not authorized to speak about our own community conversations and experiences?

But the funniest part is no one is accusing trans people of being "gender stereotypical", the argument is that these arguments ARE used.

Which matters, how exactly? You can find flat-earthers on the internet, that does not make flat-earth conspiracy theories representative of mainstream religious cosmology.

I get you're trying to equate being trans with calling yourself nonbinary/genderqueer/whatever, but I'm not even going to bite that one.

Nonbinary and genderqueer were developed as terms by transgender people within transgender communities to describe transgender people who experience significant dysphoria but do not wish to fully transition to the "opposite" gender identity for a variety of reasons.

On the other hand, do I think there are avenues where people WOULD appropriate this just for kicks? Abso-fucking-lutely, in Tumblr/SJW type groups and LGBT spaces (as an actual queer, I can attest).

How old are you? I've been out for 28 years, and people my age are not doing it for kicks. I live in the armpit of America, we just opened the second non-alcoholic, community, LGBT space in the state, and people around here are not doing it for kicks. They're doing it behind closed shades, in rented closets (I did you not), with anonymous lockers, and in expensive therapy sessions. And if cis kids feel safe to "cross-dress" and try out nonbinary identity in their college or HS bubbles, whoop de doo. Go for it kids!

Note that if you're going to use Tumblr or any other form of social media as a data point for the importance of "transtrenders" (might as well cut through the bullshit and go there), I'm going point out that every form of social media has strong biases regarding self-selection, power-law distributions favoring vocal cranks, and pressures towards conformity which makes them bullshit as generalizations of anything other than users of the platform. (No, I didn't write the book on this subject, but I studied under one of the women who did.) Sign off of Tumblr and sign into real life.

Will those identities stick long term?

Still not going anywhere after 28 years.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

I ask age because one of the people who pulled the "actually queer" card on me was a teenager who was trying to gatekeep spaces she didn't control from people she didn't understand using rhetoric she pulled off of tumblr memes.

But yes, I'm smelling bullshit, or at least a fundamental ignorance and illiteracy about real-world trans history and concerns.