[ SECRET POST #4069 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4069 ⌋

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10. [WARNING for possible discussion of nazis/genocide/etc]












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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Kylo is a scared, insecure kid (manchild?) pretending to be Vader to make himself feel more intimidating and powerful. He was likely an angsty and depressed kid with abandonment issues after being dumped on Luke by his parents and Snoke exploited that. From his very first scene Kylo Ren's will is constantly being eroded as other people talk down to him and he questions his devotion to his cause. He kills his father to go all-in with the dark side to try to prove that he's the bad guy he wants to be, but he fails at it. He realizes almost immediately that killing Han was a bad choice and he's having a breakdown in the climax

If you seriously believe he's a one-note villain, you missed the point of that story, hard. I don't understand how people don't get this character. He's well written but he's not extremely complex.

[(Anonymous)]

I guess I have problems empathizing with that because I and a lot of people I know were depressed kids with abandonment issues who had way worse childhoods than Kylo Ren, and yet none of us grew up to be murderers or work for fascist organizations. I get that Star Wars is melodrama and everybody’s reactions are extreme, but your description of his background and motivation really does make him sound like a school shooter who threw himself into neo-Nazi ideology because it gave him an excuse to feel powerful. And I can’t sympathize or empathize with that, or its space-opera equivalent.

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DA

Those real world comparisons are tasteless on their own, but they're especially tasteless at this point in history. :/

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NAYRT

It's kind of a tricky situation? It does seem fairly tasteless. But then at the same time, Kylo is a character who literally actually does murder a significant number of his fellow students at the Jedi school. That's what he canonically does. It's a tricky line to walk.

I would have chosen not to bring up the comparison myself but at the same time, it's not like this is something that AYRT has invented out of thin air either. I'm not sure how I feel about it, honestly.

[(Anonymous)]

Many characters in many canons do things that you could compare to real world atrocities. I tend to be opposed to trotting out those comparisons because I think it's vulgar and emotionally manipulative. There's no reason to exploit the pain of real people in an attempt to win an online argument about a stupid movie. It's a horrible thing to do.

[(Anonymous)]

Again, I wouldn't have chosen to bring it up myself. But that doesn't mean that it's an invalid comparison. And I do believe that the existence of resonances and resemblances like that is one of the reasons why some people have a hard time viewing the character as sympathetic, and have a hard time empathizing with him.

[(Anonymous)]

It's fine if that's your reason for disliking him, and it's pretty common to not like characters for reasons like that. There are many characters I can't like because they remind me too much of real world crap or bad things that happened to me personally. It's one thing if that's your reason for disliking a character. It's another to bring it up in an argument as a rebuttal to someone offering a reason as to why some people like the character.

[(Anonymous)]

Anon who can’t sympathize with Kylo, here—I’m sorry, I didn’t mean the comparison to belittle RL tragedies or as a jab at people who sympathize with Kylo. But just like many Kylo fans seem boggled or even angry that some people loathe him, I’m boggled and a little angry (and I know the anger is an overreaction, which is why I don’t let loose about it anywhere but FS) that so many people not only like, but identify with him.

I can feel sorry for hypothetical abandoned child Kylo that canon has so far barely hinted at, but my brain explodes when I hit the roadblock that he became a murderer, not to protect someone else, or in defense of an ideal, but in pursuit of power. I know I can’t be objective about him, or his fanclub. But I don’t send them hate, and I understand that just because they sympathize with his perceived abandonment doesn’t mean they condone real life school shootings or white nationalists.