[ SECRET POST #4079 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4079 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I'm a non-binary person who does understand where OP is coming from, but I really have to disagree. These characters are made by humans who do exist primarily in a gender binary so it's absolutely reasonable to look at it through a human lens like that. Also, there's such little NB representation that non-binary folks are gonna take what they can get regardless.

As for me, I legitimately had next to no comprehension of gender until surprisingly late in life (we're talking like 16+ yrs here). I honestly thought 'sex' and 'gender' referenced only whether somebody could get pregnant or not, and that 'men' and 'women' were otherwise exactly the same. It wasn't until I learned about binary transgender people that I realised that 'men' and 'women' actually experienced their gender identity in very different ways. Let me tell you, it's a really weird feeling to have everyone else innately understand something that is effectively an alien concept to you.

Anyway, that's why the gems in SU really appeal to me, because I'd never before seen any characters (or real people for that matter) that shared not only my lack of gender, but my childishly foreign understanding of it as well.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah but most people don't actually go through life hung up with thoughts about their gender all the time.

[maximumhusky]

Gender really does permeate everything though, in the same sense that race, ethnicity, and orientation does. It shouldn't matter in my opinion, but to other folks it does. Conflicts arise when a person who doesn't feel like they belong in any form of gender lives in a society that seems keen to force them into one. I can see that as being a lifelong concern.

[(Anonymous)]

Most people who care about their gender so much are people who are a bit too concerned with the stereotypes connected to genders. Personally, I feel like most people who identify as nonbinary would not actually do that if there wasn't such a pronounced obsession with gender performance in society. That being slightly gender (sterotype) non-conforming means you're something "other" is an idea that really only reinforces gender stereotypes and roles, though.

[maximumhusky]

In a way I do agree with you that people wouldn't be as entirely forced into certain choices if in an ideal world, no one had any gender roles to conform to or fail to conform to. A nonbinary person with no dysphoria could happily blend in with the rest of everyone else, even if they do dress very androgynously.

However, for some reason that I do not understand, people are typically born along a sex spectrum, separate of gender (not touching that one right now) of male, and female. Intersex, trans people, and nonbinary sometimes happens because it's a spectrum after all, not a guaranteed process. Why did I lump trans and nonbinary along with intersex there? Because I consider it a physical, hardwired result in the brain that follows the biological sex spectrum, not so much a social gender role concern.

So ultimately, there might be concerns about narrowing gender roles, but I do believe that classifying nonbinary as a different ballpark than any other standard gender is a valid consideration, especially if one has dysphoria but doesn't conform to any gender.

[(Anonymous)]

You mean most binary people don't walk around with a voice in their head repeating "I'm a man" or "I'm a woman."

But that's because the state of being a man or a woman is such an ingrained part of them that they don't need to consciously think it. That isn't having a low concept of gender at all, it's the opposite.