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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2018-03-08 06:36 pm

[ SECRET POST #4082 ]


⌈ Secret Post #4082 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Quellcrist Falconer in Altered Carbon]


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03.
[Grace and Frankie]


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[Fanart of Ashara Dayne from ASOIAF]


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[Hack/Slash]


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[Kevin Smith]


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[Final Fantasy XIII]












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[personal profile] thewakokid 2018-03-09 06:47 am (UTC)(link)
Damn straight.

Tank Girl was supposed to be designed to be unfappable. Tank Girl. Dude may have make a miscalculation there.

Meanwhile Vampirella was designed to be female empowerment fantasy. I'm not saying that she failed in that point, but she also happens to be almost stereotypical fap fodder which OF COURSE leads to outrage.

I mean I love them both, but trying to predict the sexual reactions of human beings and then subverting that is a loosing game. There is nothing people won't fap to.

(Anonymous) 2018-03-09 07:46 am (UTC)(link)
I mean I love them both, but trying to predict the sexual reactions of human beings and then subverting that is a loosing game. There is nothing people won't fap to.

Say hello to Rule 34
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[personal profile] thewakokid 2018-03-09 08:01 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, exactly. There are non-anthropomorphic creatures there. People are fapping to the most bizzarly shaped stuff. Trying to say "men fap to it so it's anti-woman" is... actually that kinda explains a lot.

(Anonymous) 2018-03-09 10:24 am (UTC)(link)
There's a difference between making fap fodder and a character who happens to be sexy.

Fap fodder is the above image, for example, where the woman looks painful and is contorted into shapes that are impossible and not for the sake of, you know, telling a story, but for the sake of making her appealing.
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[personal profile] thewakokid 2018-03-09 04:59 pm (UTC)(link)

There is... and that difference is entirely in the intention which cant ever know. Some times you can make a guess or say "I think the intention is to be sexist" but in those cases you can only really go on your assumptions.

You cannot, for example, definitely say the above is designed to be fap fodder. Given that Vlad felt it necessary to defenestrate the girl, I suspect she is supposed to be a threat disguised as fap fodder. I do not remember this issue, but Vlad's a good guy. He's chucking a chick out a window, then she was the villain. You could suggest that she is a villain designed sexy for no reason other than to be fapped over, or you could suggest that she is designed to be sexy so the reader doesn't realize she's a villain until she becomes a threat to Vlad.

Either could be true, honestly, but you can't say that she's objectively one thing or the other without knowing the mind of the creator. A single panel of a classic Vampirella comic could be read as fap fodder, but that was not the intent behind the design therefore is it still fap fodder? Likewise early Wonder Woman, Was she just BDSM porn because that's how people read it, or does the intent change it? I think it does

Then for balance there's the other side, characters who are designed to be fap fodder - Openly admitted by the creator - See Empowered as an example. I'm not of the opinion that her design and the motivations behind it lessen the character in any way.