[ SECRET POST #4098 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4098 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Because you're right, you are helping to enable this.

Oh fuck off. No one is responsible for this but the artist.

[(Anonymous)]

Nah. You'd be surprised at how quickly people are capable of getting their shit together when they suddenly get cut off from their safety net.

[(Anonymous)]

Paying for someone's work, regardless of the platform (ie art gallery vs patreon) could mean you're potentially supporting a lifestyle you don't approve of, so unless you're vetting EVERY SINGLE FUCKING PURCHASE you make, it seems like concern trolling to do it to someone via Patreon.

[(Anonymous)]

I dunno, there's a difference between some nebulous entity doing things you don't approve of, and you never knowing, and some artist posting about it on the platform you're getting their work from.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, but not liking going outside and having an 'unapproved sleep schedule' is not like... doing drugs and murdering small babies to bathe in their blood.

I've never been on Patreon so I really don't know what the usual content ratio is compared to life posts or if most artists keep their personal life out of the posts, but it just seems unfair to withold money from someone when it's not how good they are at their job that you object to, but their 'questionable' life choices which in this case don't really seem questionable or harmful.

[(Anonymous)]

The world wasn't made to cater to your concept of what's healthy or what isn't. You have nothing to be self-righteous about.

Or, by your logic, it's your business if you'd yank funding from an "unhealthy" artist, so why the fuck do I need to know about it? See how ridiculous that sounds?

[(Anonymous)]

Patreon isn't a safety net. It's freelance work. Safety nets are when the artist stops getting paid and needs to rely on the government for support - and having been there, let me tell you, that doesn't fucking encourage you to get out of the house or get a good night's sleep.

[(Anonymous)]

It's terrifying, having to rely on welfare to survive. Constantly fearing that someone is going to take it away (because someone's always trying to reduce it or take it away). Having to listen to friends and relatives (even ones who've been poor themselves) whine about their taxes and people "milking the system" and how "the government" is the source of the problem when it's really your own community pressuring the government to put more and more restrictions on the funds you recieve because god forbid you ever have slightly more than your community thinks you need. Random housing inspections. Having to justify every penny you spend to everyone around you. Intrusive personal questions. Having to ask permission to do things adults shouldn't have to ask permission for (drink alcohol, borrow the car, have a lover move in). Fighting with useless health care providers who treat you like a second class citizen because they know you don't have the power to fight it.

Oh yeah, that never results in increased anxiety and anxiety related health problems. or regular health problems, cause you can't afford a gym and you're lonely and you can only afford cheap food (and if ou have EBT and you try to buy higher quality stuff, you're judged for that too)

Patreon is when you do hard, dignified work using skills you actually have, and you're asking people who like your work to throw a little money your way. It shouldn't matter how you live your life, because Patreon is Not a Fucking Charity Effort. The artist makes a product, people pay for their work.

[(Anonymous)]

I've never had any involvement with Patreon, so I have no dog in that particular aspect of this fight/discussion.

But the rest of your post? Fucking WORD to every single bit of it. Thank you.

[cakemage]

+10,000! Just getting government assistance to begin with is a full-blown nightmare. I've been trying to get on disability for my myriad of issues since 2011. It's a long, slow, depressing process, and even if you get approved it can all vanish at a moment's notice. My next hearing is on May 24th, and I really don't have high hopes. I've got a good firm representing me, several of my doctors are ready to go to bat for me, and more official diagnoses than last time, but I still think they're going to say no, and that's going to suck because even though the system is enormously flawed and insufficient, it's still miles better than what I've got now.

[(Anonymous)]

As someone who is living off of EBT right now, thank you for this.

[(Anonymous)]

...and you would hear a lot less about the ones who aren't, after their internet gets cut off.

Some people can and some people can't, and you don't know anything about the situation or the artist beyond a few casual sentences by OP, who ALSO doesn't know the whole situation.

I promise you nobody with little experience and pre-existing depression and sleep problems is going to have an easy time suddenly yanking their bootstraps in this economy.

[(Anonymous)]

YES. THANK YOU.

For fucks sake. I have no patience for concern trolls, or self-righteous turd biters who legit think it's their job to solve each individual person's problems. Give the artist money, or don't, but don't pretend that you're doing it ~for their health~. Bullshit. Complete, utter, 100% bullshit.

AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Blow it out your ass. "Getting their shit together" is none of your business. Stop concern trolling. No one's impressed.

[(Anonymous)]

Nah, you'd be surprised at how quickly so many of them don't. That's why the world has so many homeless people, junkies and people stuck living in terrible relationships.

Especially when there aren't enough jobs paying a living wage for people who are qualified for them, able bodied and able minded and live in places where there actually are opportunities.

And often, when people say "cut them off from the safety net and they'll suddenly get it together" they are the same people who are denying (or support the ones who deny) those people with no safety net any opening or opportunity to get back on their feet.

Person With No Safety Net: Please, I need a job, any job. Just point me at work and I'll do it.

Person Who Could've Helped: People can't just have jobs because they want them. We can't just go around giving people jobs, they have to earn them. Why don't you make something and sell it if you're that desperate?

Person With No Safety Net: Okay. Does anyone want to buy this thing I made?

Person Who Could've Helped: Like, why don't you get a real job and stop trying to trick people into giving you money? You're so lazy and I won't enable it.

different anon

[(Anonymous)]

Seriously that's pretty much how it goes. :/

Really they try to mental-gymnastics their way to ANY justification that not helping someone in need was the morally right choice.

Because otherwise they'd feel bad. And they can't have that now can they?