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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2018-03-29 07:05 pm

[ SECRET POST #4103 ]


⌈ Secret Post #4103 ⌋

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 2 - repeat ].
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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

(Anonymous) 2018-03-30 04:59 am (UTC)(link)
You're not wrong but at the same time, I don't think this example is particularly *worse* than the Hollywood median, and I don't think any of this is really Jeremy Renner's *fault*, or a reason to dislike his performance

(Anonymous) 2018-03-30 05:41 am (UTC)(link)
Where did I say it was worse than other examples? Where did I say it was his fault? And I did in fact say I thought his performance was great and I liked the movie.

The character was still a white savior, and that's a trope that needs to be called out, IMO. Because saying "well, that's Hollywood, I guess" changes nothing.

(Anonymous) 2018-03-30 06:29 am (UTC)(link)
You didn't explicitly say it but it came off as implied to me and (apparently) most of the other people who read it because of how you said it and the context of the conversation. Apart from anything else, it definitely did come across as a criticism of Jeremy Renner specifically simply because of the fact that the thread was about Jeremy Renner and you didn't really say anything about how you were disappointed with the storytelling decisions, just "Jeremy Renner was miscast".

but, you know, whatever. it's all good.

(Anonymous) 2018-03-30 12:12 pm (UTC)(link)
The SECRET was about Jeremy Renner! I was replying to a comment about this movie specifically. Who or what was I supposed to talk about instead? And casting IS a storytelling decision, which also may or may not be a function of the script, the studio, etc. (Could he have turned it down? Sure. I did not say he should have. I criticized his casting. Last I checked actors don’t cast themselves in things unless they’re also producers or directors or whatever.)

And even if I did for some reason criticize him personally (which I did not), it’s just as important to criticize the actors and movies we like as it is to do so for the ones we don’t like. I am having a hard time understanding why people in this thread can’t recognize they can like the movie and his performance while still acknowledging that telling this story from the perspective of white savior characters is not a good look. If anything, that’s why my comment turned into a much longer thread than necessary. So that’s the last I’m going to say on it.